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#21 User is offline   cheater 

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 02:40 PM

View PostNoose, on 28 April 2010 - 02:21 PM, said:

It doesn't matter, Greg, because you guys can do what you want. If this was so great, why wasn't it adopted as an official IRRA™ rule and/or used at other regions or major races? Has it been adopted by any other form of racing such as ISRA or AMSRA where I am sure there are riders and/or cars get damaged?

Joe, using this logic what new ideas would ever be adopted?

By the same flawed logic, since racing scratcbuilt cars was not embraced by any of the major slot car organizations for, oh, 35 years, it must have been a poor and undesirable genre, right?

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My point is that locally fine, officially no.

The content of your other posts in this thread doesn't IMO condense into such a conclusion, Noose. And I'm not trying to "sell" the RFR to anyone else or to suggest that it should be part of the IRRA™ rules.

I am carping at you supporting a negative opinion of the RFR with inaccurate evidence combined with the fact that you have no direct experience with the RFR as SERRA™ uses it. It's like all the PC guys who bad-mouth Macs when they've never actually used one...

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 02:44 PM

Well, it's a pointless discussion then, isn't it? After all I invented Windows 7.:laugh2:

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 03:00 PM

That's a lie. Everyone KNOWS it was Al Gore. LOL!!!

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 03:29 PM

If I can't drive better and get faster cars I need a white flag rule so I can surrender. :help: :to_become_senile:

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 03:50 PM

Greg:
From the posts, it sounded like it was a racer's call, not the race director's call. So as long as the race director maintains control (as he/she should) then I wouldn't see that as a concern.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 04:03 PM

I have raced the last two years at many SERRA races. I travel to all races, as there is no track where I live.

I personally think the Red Flag Rule stinks.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 05:07 PM

View PostRoho21, on 10 April 2010 - 07:19 AM, said:

We would like to get everyone's opinion on the Red Flag Rule that is used in some series. The rule allows a competitor to call "red flag" once during a race. This will give them a strict two minute stoppage to repair damage once during a race. During this period no other cars will be allowed to be touched. Also, only the car of the driver that calls for the red flag can be worked on.

I have never heard of such a rule and it's a stupid idea, but that's just my opinion. :blush:

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 05:41 PM

I think the 'red flag' rule as outlined by SERRA has merit.

For those worried about the 'time' factor involved with such a rule, my solution is to eliminate qualifying... :blink:

Now, there is a REAL waste of time, and a real protector of the 'pros'... ;)

Qualifying six racers to the A Main for cutting one fast lap is BS. Race your way in.

My opinion, and it is never going to change.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 06:00 PM

Well, first I never dreamed this topic was so controversial.Posted Image
I have contemplated this for a while, and as I said earlier in this thread, I received many more "no" opinions on this rule than "yeses". I talked to my co-director for a while about this today, and luckily he and I agree on most things related to slotracing. First, to be fair, let me state my personal opinion. I think there are very good and valid points to both sides of this argument. I have raced in SERRA and at Abbeville (that also uses the RFR for their series). I also, am the director of the MSCRA series that adopted this rule. I personally see no problem with this rule provided that it is used properly and with the race directors discretion. That being said, my MSCRA series uses a rules committee. That committee voted in the RFR. I feel that any racing series should value their racers opinion. Afterall, without racers you have no series! Now I have had people tell me both ways. . . "If you let the racers run the series, they will make everything in their favor and ruin it!" and the other side of the coin . . . "If you don't give racers what they want, they will not come!". I feel that both statements are true! In any situation there is two sides of a decision or argument. I personally feel that the director of any series' responsibility is to listen to both sides and make, in this case, the rule that best fits the series or that finds the middle ground to achieve the ultimate goal of getting more racers to the races!
As far as the Smoky Mtn Retro Association is concerned, Rick and I decided from day one to adhere to the national rules set that has been put in place by the IRRA. I feel that as long as we follow this ruleset, we are in that beloved middle ground because we haven't changed anything from what has so far been a successful venture. There will always be a percentage of people that you will not make happy. Anyone that tries to do that will fail! All I can do as the director of SMRA is to give racers a series that they wish to compete in. Now that everyone is clear on my position, let me say this. At his time SMRA is not running a points championship. For 2010, we are running several events in an effort to find the best race format that seems to work with the fewest number of problems and least amount of complaints. To date, I have had virtually no complaints with my efforts for any race or series I have promoted. The reason for that is I am fair to everyone, and try to put forth the best product possible. With the RFR causing so much of a rift amongst racers, I have devised a plan to use for the remainder of 2010 season. I am choosing to utilize this plan since, as mentioned before, this season is for fine tuning our series to the racers that race here and will race in our series on a regular basis.
The plan is as follows:
At every SMRA race that is held this season, there will be a vote by the racers. (Now before you go off the deep end, read all of this!) LOL!
The racers will be asked if they want the RFR to be utilized at that event. For this rule to be passed (for that event only) there must be a 100% yes vote for the rule. If ONE racer votes no, the rule will not be used. The reason for 100% instead of majority is so that any racer that travels to that race thinking there is not a red flag rule, will not have traveled in vain. I will NOT at anytime change a rule at the racetrack when it could an any way effect a racer that when he left home was told something different. However, if I have a 100% vote for it, then it could not possibly effect any racer in a negative way, and they will not be here on Slotblog bashing me or the SMRA. In the future, once we start competing for points, this will not be done. It would not be fair for a racer not in attendance, but in a points battle to not have a vote. So that I will NOT do. So any rules would be in place before the points season starts. I think this is a completely fair way to assess the RFR in a real race situation. My beliefs are that we follow the national rules, but this way I am giving a fair chance and opportunity to racers that would like to try the RFR before forming an opinion. Thanks for reading! Hope to see you at Bristol!

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 06:24 PM

Roger:

Well stated, sounds like a very fair plan.

Unfortunately I suspect that you may never get to try the RFR since it's pretty hard to get a 100% vote on anything. Even Motherhood and Apple Pie are having a tough go of things these days! :blush:

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 06:31 PM

LOL! May be, but it's there if they want it. Posted Image

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 06:38 PM

Russ:

I'm not surprised you think it's a stupid idea, I don't recall you EVER driving more than about 30 minutes to a race in NorCal and I can't recall ever seeing you at BPR or Fresno. If you did drive 2 hours to an event (like Fred and I did about every other week) and got taken out in the first heat you might think a little bit differently about the RFR. ;) .

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:36 PM

View PostRaymond, on 28 April 2010 - 04:03 PM, said:

I have raced the last 2 years at many SERRA races. I travel to all races, as there is no track where I live. I personally think the Red Flag rule stinks.

Speedy,

You know Jay and I asked about the RFR on our last SERRA Questionaire and the racers said keep it. And we did.

Please post and tell Jay and I just why you think it stinks. I ask this sincerely. I really want to know why you feel this way.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 08:36 PM

Back-In-The-Day a local track had a "30 Seconds" rule. A racer could call 30 Seconds and work on his car. A racer could even use his 30 Seconds for another driver if he needed more time. Nobody liked it... until they needed it.

On the other hand, I'm just competitive enough that I don't like losing just because other people got to fix their car when I built mine to survive.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 09:54 PM

The RFR is an extended track call, if it is that wrong, then so is every track call. Personally I don't race the series or have any dog in the fight, so doesn't matter to me what you guys do or not. "In the day" three cars off was a track call, then that changed, ten years ago, a rider was NOT a track call, but is accepted today as one. Just as a track call does not penalize the deslotter, but penalizes the ones that stay in the slot.

What is really fair?

Watch some of the races shown on video here and they turn the track off when the guy on orange farts. Its ridiculous! LOL. But it usually evens out for us mid-packers, it's the front runners that get screwed...

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 10:04 PM

View PostRick, on 28 April 2010 - 09:54 PM, said:

"... they turn the track off when the guy on orange farts..."

Depends on what the guy on orange had for dinner. :bad: :blink:

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 11:17 PM

A six pack and hard-boiled eggs will clear a drivers stand real quick!

Maybe there should be a BFR (blue flame rule)... Posted Image

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 11:21 PM

View PostJay Guard, on 28 April 2010 - 06:38 PM, said:

I'm not surprised you think it's a stupid idea, I don't recall you EVER driving more than about 30 minutes to a race in NorCal and I can't recall ever seeing you at BPR or Fresno. If you did drive 2 hours to an event (like Fred and I did about every other week) and got taken out in the first heat you might think a little bit differently about the RFR. ;) .

It takes me at least 1-1/4 hours to get to SCR from South San Francisco, does that count for anything? It's a stupid idea because it delays the race for the other racers. If something wrong with your car, you don't stop the race to fix it. That's racing, you don't see NASCAR stopping the race because of one person. I can't tell you how many times I got taken out by a turn marshal or somebody walling me or some other crap. Man up, Jay.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 11:33 PM

View Postteam burrito, on 28 April 2010 - 11:21 PM, said:

It takes me at least 1-1/4 hours to get to SCR from South San Francisco,

Off topic but...

Wow!! That's about the same time it would take to get to FTH for a monthly Retro race. I guess you must need a carpool whenever you go to SCR as well???

Just askin'... :blink:

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 01:16 AM

View PostJimF, on 28 April 2010 - 11:33 PM, said:

Wow!! That's about the same time it would take to get to FTH for a monthly Retro race. I guess you must need a carpool whenever you go to SCR as well??? Just askin'........... :blink:

Smart ***. It takes me at least 1/2 hour just to get to the GG bridge, after that it's pretty smooth driving. No direct freeway to the North Bay, you know. I used to carpool with some of the guys, but they don't go to SCR on a normal basis.

BTW: Isn't Carson City closer to you or are you located on the North Shore?

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