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#1 elinsley

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Posted 24 October 2022 - 08:06 PM

Schedule for Nats in November....

Saturday Nov.12th. Open at 12
Local race
Prelude to Nationals
Mercury Wing/ Group F ,(house rules) tech at 2pm


Monday Nov.14th Open 9am...practice

Tuesday..15th..Open 9am...practice

Wednesday... 16th Open 8am...Omb/Hbb...tech 10:30

Thursday 17th ..Open 8am....2 motor 15/ C-12

Friday 18th... Open 8am...27 lite...tech 10:30
Dinner will be brought in Friday evening around 6pm


Saturday 19th... Open 8am...2 motor open...tech 10:30

Sunday 20th... Open 8am... Group 7...
Tech 10:30


Entry fees for 4 annual NASRA Nationals at MACH 1 Raceway h 1 Raceway...

$10 pit fee per day

$20 for... OMB 12......HBB....C12 and 2 motor 15

$25 for 27 lite and 2 motor open

$30 for group 7


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Posted 19 November 2022 - 09:00 PM

Race results for OMB Wednesday, 11-16-22. Livestreams are available on the Mach 1 Raceway Facebook page- https://www.facebook...100057196009982

 

Concours Winner- Billy Bell
 
 Top Qualifier- Jeff Cox, 2.276
 
Race Results-
1- Tommy Stringfield
2- Neal Gibson
3- Julian Martin
 
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Posted 19 November 2022 - 09:07 PM

Race results for HBB Wednesday, 11/16/22. Livestreams are available on the Mach 1 Raceway Facebook page- https://www.facebook...100057196009982

 

Concours Winner- Mike Krebs
 
Top Qualifier- Jeff Cox, 2.245
 
Race Results-
1- Jeff Cox
2- Derek Martin
3- Mike Krebs
 
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Posted 19 November 2022 - 09:11 PM

A few other pics from Wednesday, 11/16/22.

 

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Posted 19 November 2022 - 09:22 PM

Race results for C12 Thursday, 11/17/22. Livestreams are available on the Mach 1 Raceway Facebook page- https://www.facebook...100057196009982

 

Concours Winner- Russ Martin
 
Top Qualifier- Jeff Sarkisian, 2.019
 
Race Results-
1- Ed Gibson
2- Tommy Stringfield
3- Russ Martin
 
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Posted 19 November 2022 - 09:25 PM

Race results for Two Motor 15 Thursday, 11/17.22. Livestreams are available on the Mach 1 Raceway Facebook page- https://www.facebook...100057196009982

 

Concours winner - Mike Darnell
 
Top qualifier- Jeff Sarkisian, 2.208
 
Race results-
1- Jeff Sarkisian
2- Mike Darnell
3- Brian Eardly
 
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Posted 19 November 2022 - 09:28 PM

A few other pics from Thursday, 11/17/22.

 

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Posted 19 November 2022 - 09:35 PM

Race results for 27 Lite Friday, 11/18/22. Livestreams are available on the Mach 1 Raceway Facebook page- https://www.facebook...100057196009982

 

Concours Winner- Scott Hudson
 
Top Qualifier- Ed Gibson, 1.854
 
Race Results-
1- Russ Martin
2- Scott Hudson
3- Les Wright
 
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Posted 19 November 2022 - 09:42 PM

Race results for Two Motor Open Saturday, 11/19/22. Livestreams are available on the Mach 1 Raceway Facebook page- https://www.facebook...100057196009982

 

Concours Winner- John Mullen
 
Top Qualifier- Andy Wasserman, 1.700
 
Race Results-
1- Andy Wasserman
2- Mike Krebs
3- Gary Puetz
 
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Posted 21 November 2022 - 08:31 PM

It occurs to me that I should give credit where it is due - all pictures are from the Mach 1 Raceway Facebook page.


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Posted 21 November 2022 - 10:33 PM

Really good report. Thanks!


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Posted 22 November 2022 - 11:30 AM

So who won opens (Grp 7)?

 

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Posted 22 November 2022 - 11:52 AM

Group 7 was not raced on sunday. Not enough drivers for that class.
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Posted 22 November 2022 - 01:24 PM

Thanks, Jason, for posting the pictures and results. I was going to post them from what I took but you beat me to it LOL.
 
It was nice meeting you last week.
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Posted 22 November 2022 - 08:07 PM

You're welcome! Feel free to add whatever you want. I didn't know if anyone was planning to do it, so I went ahead.

 

It was great having you and all of the others here, too.


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Posted 23 November 2022 - 01:18 PM

Group 7 was not raced on sunday. Not enough drivers for that class

 

Major changes need to be made in G7 if it is to survive. Maybe it should not survive? Too many motors, too much expense, brittle aluminum chassis.

 

Maybe TMO should be the top class?


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Posted 23 November 2022 - 02:31 PM

The week didn't seem to work out for a lot of the top racers. Chubby, Timmy, Beuf, Skinner, and maybe a few others.
 
What changes would you like to see, Jim?


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Posted 23 November 2022 - 05:33 PM

IMO, the biggest bummer with real fast wing cars is their inability to survive wrecks and continue in the race.

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Posted 23 November 2022 - 05:45 PM

Current state of the art fast wing car racing compared to the real world... similar drivers and equipment, severe lack of deep pocket sponsors.

 

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 09:03 AM

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 05:52 PM

IMO, the biggest bummer with real fast wing cars is their inability to survive wrecks and continue in the race.

 

Hence my suggestion to ban aluminum chassis. F! is the most advanced racing in the world but I guarantee they probably have the thickest rule book as well to limit spending. They are concentrating on bringing costs down for the teams. F1 cars have gotten heavier and slower and the cars aerodynamics have been changed to improve racing. G7 wing racing should have a minimum car weight to stop the crazy spending.

 

I quit racing so long ago that it is hard for me to pick apart what should be changed in wing racing. I do know that my friend John Denegal, who won the amateur class at the bicentennial, recently contacted me saying he wanted to start G7 racing. I did my best to lay out the craziness of the class and expense to half inform him and half to persuade him from doing it!


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Posted 25 November 2022 - 12:11 PM

The problem is the weird thing in slot racing where faster lap times, more laps, etc., is perceived as accomplishment.

As far as aluminum chassis, I was the knucklehead who got it going on the faster classes.

In 93(?) Gunther Fass, with possibly Dick P.'s help/input, had come up with aluminum as a chassis material for I15 as it skirted some of the rules on lasered/EDM'ed spring steel.

Koford followed suit and it became very common in 93-95.

After the 95 Nats at Lugout in Pa., we had a Midwest points race on a fast 195'(?) Engleman.

I didn't normally run G27, but Stu had started selling a wide motor box G27/G7 steel chassis.

The wide steel motor brace, with the soft motor angle, and no worry of peeling the plating, allowed me, on a lark, to build and run our I15 aluminum plate in G27.

The car ran great and I beat Boyt Johnson, who took G27 real seriously.

The car was full punched on Black thru Orange, and one blip, on Red thru Green.

In what might of been a less than full field, I think I was never out of the slot.

That was the start of aluminum as a viable option in G27 and G7.

Of course, with less than super-clean races, we figured out that they would bend even easier than in I15.

Running aluminum or steel in G7, was a decision for pretty much to the end of the 1900's.

As the faster Ogilvie's, and later, the Gerding Kings, became a thing, racers realized they had to roll the dice and run aluminum.

At some point after 2006, and I was out of wing racing, races became a deal of one hard hit and you were out of the race.

Also, popping on taking off, really became a thing, as racers hesitated to run any weight in the front, as they knew it would hurt their lap times.

It's carried over to today.

My top wing racer sometimes pops once or twice a race.

Last week , mid race, in our weekly Group F, I had to interrupt the race to remind/suggest to racers that they adjust their controllers to take off smoothly, vs. having them where they perceive it helps the minimal amount of driving they do.

 

As the issue of destroying chassis and taking off became more of a thing, I suggested a spec steel chassis for G7.

 

Super wide rails with plenty of weight built into the front.

 

IOW, a car that could survive a wallshot or t-boning a car on the main chute and take off from a stop with less than perfectly adjusted braid.

 

A car that would be clearly slower, but would/should be running at the end of the race.

 

My idea brought the sound of chirping crickets.

 

I guess, on a Gerding, going 1.8 or 1.9, instead of 1.6, is a deal breaker.

 

To the few people that still race G7's, the fun must be that extra .2's and the pleasure of possibly posting a pic of a wadded up chassis on FB.
 

I guess I should know better.

 

Even the mention of a spec pinion in Retro racing, to eliminate the rare motor failure, is not a popular idea.

 

Thank God in 2007, the IRRA jumped in right away with weight minimums at our inception.

 

IMO, those weight minimums contribute to the usual clean racing and close finishes.(4 of the 5 main races at the Fall Brawl, were decided by 1 lap or less, and the other was 3 laps)

 

I'm pretty sure that was at the suggestion of the late, great, Tony P.


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Posted 25 November 2022 - 12:25 PM

I have always wanted to race G7, but C12 and G27 were the only classes raced when I was doing the Tri State events.

 

I look at it now and think, I want to do it but is it worth it?

 

I know I could source all the parts but will they be fast enough and will I be fast enough?

I could live with bending a chassis, but how long does a chassis last that doesnt take a hit?

Where can I go for some test and tune to sort out the formula?

How many sets of tires per race do I need....?

How many motors per race do I need....?

 

The will to race is there but logic part is not.

I know Brad (a few hours north of me) travels to a few races a year but I do not think I could live like that.

I would want to race regionally as well as nationally.

I remember racing up to G27 on hillclimbs, grand stands, englemans, kinglemans and of course King tracks.

Could G7 wing racing still support that kind of track diversity?


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Posted 25 November 2022 - 02:39 PM

Nate,

Back in my day, the Midwest points series had as many Hillclimbs and Grandstands on our schedule, as King tracks.

 

I don't remember dreading to go race on one.

 

I looked forward to racing at Lee Richardson's or Jeff Bechtel's.

 

Maybe the only concession I made to running on one, was to use a backup car.

 

But it was a car that I had run on a King.

 

IMO, as years went on, the advent of the Gerding Kings made that concept impossible.

 

IOW, your slightly beatup, ultra short King track car, wasn't going to work on all 8 lanes of a Hillclimb or Grandstand, made in the 1900's.

 

Nor your .500" diameter hub, hard tires

 

PS-I just finished my long winded, post #22


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Posted 26 November 2022 - 05:44 PM

We have kicked around the idea of running an FK wing class at our track, and part of me wishes that our king could handle G7 cars but it is old, narrow lane spacing, and pretty tight corners.

 

This is the problem, the cars are so specialized now that the number of tracks available to run is dwindling quickly.


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