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Posted 14 November 2022 - 06:33 PM

The FSCS 2022 enduro will be held at P-1 Slot Car Raceway on Sunday, December 11.
 
Doors open at 8:00
Race begins at 10:30
 
$75 per team
Includes 
-- One CR102 hand-out motor
-- One pair Mid-America soft wonder .470 hub tires (MID 31W)
-- Lunch
 
Each team can buy 
-- one backup motor (won't be needed unless the original motor has a failure)
-- one pair of tires (tires discounted to $10)
 
The race will be 3 hours driving time (24 heats at 7 1/2 minutes each)
 
Three drivers per team (no more -- no less)
All drivers must drive all eight lanes
 
The car must be an FSCS-legal NASCAR but with an FSCS-legal GTP body
Exceptions:
-- Rear clearance minimum of .062" at the start of the race
-- If the chassis is a Mossetti center section then the only pans allowed for the enduro will be 
   -- MR-3022 or MR-3122 or MR-3123 (if your pans have a hole on each side near the rear of the pans, then it is one of these)
 
Rear clearance must not be less than .039" during the race (regular FSCS rule)
 
Requirements for an FSCS-legal NASCAR and an FSCS-legal GTP body are in the FSCS rules.
 

 






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Posted 15 November 2022 - 09:01 AM

How did P1 win this race? Isnt it supposed to be decided by the number of their locals throughout the year? I sat back and counted what was posted. P1 had 44 total entries through the year Fasr Eddies had 48 total entries throughout the year.

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 10:58 AM

The rules say:  "The Enduro and awards presentations will be held at the raceway that had the most entries at the regular season races."
 
Since Ed and Marcus agree that the enduro will be held at P-1, they must be counting total number of entries, not which raceway the racers consider their home raceway.
 
IMO, the enduros should rotate to each raceway just like the regular season races do.  Next year Melbourne.  Spread the wealth.  But this is up to the raceway owners to decide.


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Posted 15 November 2022 - 01:54 PM

I think the raceway that has the most traveling racer entries should earn the Enduro, those racers are committed and they shouldn't have to travel for the event that they earned for there raceway. The owner that has built a group of dedicated traveling racers should get the race.

But like the spec rules we cant let the racers that test different setups win, nor should the owner that builds up there racers get the enduro every year, thats not fair.
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Posted 15 November 2022 - 04:49 PM

From what I hear Marcus told Eddie that where the endour was going to be. Eddie didnt agree to it.

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 05:03 PM

What track had the most entries?
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Posted 15 November 2022 - 05:30 PM

From what I hear Marcus told Eddie that where the endour was going to be. Eddie didnt agree to it.


I'm not here to take race from any other track, what was talked about when we decided to have the enduro race was that the track that has the most entries throughout the year would have it. When I talked to Ed on Sunday he didn't questioned, but if he thinks he should have the race he just needs to call me or even post here what he thinks and the race is his.
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Posted 15 November 2022 - 05:51 PM

I now understand that Ed's interpretation of the rule is the correct interpretation. I had previously not given any thought to the rule.

 

Ed's interpretation encourages increased participation.

 

For example, under Marcus's interpretation, Ed might choose not to go to the FSCS races at P-1 because doing so would give P-1 a higher total number of entries, thus reducing the chances of FER winning the right to host the enduro.

 

But under Ed's interpretation, Ed should go to as many of the races at P-1 as possible because that would increase FER's chances of hosting the enduro.



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Posted 15 November 2022 - 06:17 PM

I doesn't matter how it's interpreted, what's the rule for getting the race?
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Posted 15 November 2022 - 06:22 PM

It's pretty straight forward.

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 08:25 PM

P-1 earned the right to host the enduro because the racers whose Home Raceway is P-1, had the most entries over the course of the season.
 
TOTAL NUMBER OF ENTRIES
P1R:  169  (NASCAR: 56,  LMP:  61,  GTP:  52)
FER:  122  (NASCAR: 47,  LMP:  43,  GTP:  32)
RWB:  46  (NASCAR: 17,  LMP:  16,  GTP:  13)
SEE THE TOTALS BELOW
 
NASCAR
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LMP
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Posted 15 November 2022 - 11:11 PM

Well I was wrong. I want to apologize for my mistake. I didnt count the total number of entries. What I counter was the number of people throughout the year. Again I was wrong.

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Posted 16 November 2022 - 09:47 AM

 

P-1 earned the right to host the enduro because the racers whose Home Raceway is P-1, had the most entries over the course of the season.
 
TOTAL NUMBER OF ENTRIES
P1R:  169  (NASCAR: 56,  LMP:  61,  GTP:  52)
FER:  122  (NASCAR: 47,  LMP:  43,  GTP:  32)
RWB:  46  (NASCAR: 17,  LMP:  16,  GTP:  13)
SEE THE TOTALS BELOW
 
NASCAR
 

 

 

 

 

It doesn't change the outcome ... but I know Lloyd Miller raced at Fast Eddie's on Sunday because his pit space was next to mine.


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Posted 16 November 2022 - 10:22 AM

I think the raceway that has the most traveling racer entries should earn the Enduro, those racers are committed and they shouldn't have to travel for the event that they earned for there raceway. The owner that has built a group of dedicated traveling racers should get the race.

But like the spec rules we cant let the racers that test different setups win, nor should the owner that builds up there racers get the enduro every year, thats not fair.

 

 

Not that the now-defunct "My Series" was right (after all ... it is defunct) but the rule was almost exactly what you described.  For example ... Jacksonville racers were only counted when they traveled ... not at their home track.  

 

As you said ... the idea was to give track owners a reason to encourage their racers to go to the other tracks.  Yes, it meant Jacksonville guys were going to spend some money in Melbourne, Holly Hill, and at the other tracks.  But it also meant that racers from those other tracks were going to be encouraged to come to Jacksonville.  And that gave us a chance to sell parts to them.

 

 

And ... that's why I still believe that raceways should have to "earn" a spot on the schedule by sending racers to all/most of the races at other tracks.  As much as I'd like for there to be a Series race on that nice, big Engleman in Avon Park ... until they send racers to other races, there's no reason for another track owner to send their racers to Avon Park.  


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Posted 16 November 2022 - 10:22 AM

Lloyd Miller's home raceway is registered as RWB and he is shown in the NASCAR and LMP results.



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Posted 16 November 2022 - 11:49 AM

Lloyd Miller's home raceway is registered as RWB and he is shown in the NASCAR and LMP results.


Thanks.

I guess he left before GTP. Could have sworn j raced with him .. dang, I guess I was more tired than I thought.

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Posted 18 November 2022 - 11:05 AM

The rules for this enduro have been posted in post #1 of this thread.



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Posted 18 November 2022 - 11:34 AM

What height will the handout tires be so we can jig are cars as needed.
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Posted 18 November 2022 - 12:05 PM

What height will the handout tires be so we can jig are cars as needed.

 

I would think you could true them to whatever you want as long as they clear. 


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Posted 18 November 2022 - 12:30 PM

One would think. I heard they will all be trued to .750. SPEC racing at its finest.
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Posted 18 November 2022 - 12:58 PM

Marcus is going to pre-true the hand-out tires to .760 so that's what I trued mine to for testing.
 
I setup a car and ran the entire enduro.  The total laps was almost 3000.
 
The chassis I used was an original Defender center with the oldest version of the required pans.  The car weighed exactly the required minimum of 92 grams without adding any weight.
 
I installed new Slick 7 bushings and JK axle.  I oiled the bushings between heats (7 1/2 minutes) with Glidex II.
 
 
RESULTS OF THE TESTING
 
The motor was as strong at the end as it was at the beginning and still lots of brush remaining.
 
The bushings and axle had not worn hardly at all.
 
At the midpoint of the test (1500 laps), the left tire had worn down to .740 and the right one was down to .724.
 
Rough calculations indicated that if I just swapped the tires with each other, they would both have a final size of about .705 (the rate of wear increases as they get smaller).
 
With .705 tires on it, my car would have had about .036 clearance so it would have been less than the required minimum of .039.  (I had installed the bushings slightly higher than normal resulting in .039 clearance with .710 tires)
 
So, for the remaining 1500 laps, I decided to leave the left tire in place (as I said, it was at .740) and I replaced the right tire with a new .760.
 
When I finished, the left tire was down to .714 and the right was down to .721.
 

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Posted 18 November 2022 - 01:03 PM

If anyone is looking for a team to be on, you can post here or contact Marcus at 407-719-7885 voice or text.


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Posted 18 November 2022 - 08:35 PM

RESULTS OF THE TESTING

 
The motor was as strong at the end as it was at the beginning and still lots of brush remaining.

Good to hear.

 

Thanks for your hard work.


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Posted 18 November 2022 - 11:17 PM

We have the first team for the Enduro race formed, it comes from Jacksonville.
Rollin, JT and Nathan.
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Posted 19 November 2022 - 06:29 AM

We have the first team for the Enduro race formed, it comes from Jacksonville.
Rollin, JT and Nathan.


We’re looking forward to it.

Pretty sure Nathan is going to be exhausted from carrying the load


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