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#1 Brian Czeiner

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Posted 21 December 2022 - 09:30 PM

With respect to the previous "Concours Rules" thread started by Wildman, I wish to further the conversation. Which of the following bodies would win a concours contest if you were the judge. I've chosen these bodies because the class will be represented in January's Womp Mafia events. (plus I already had the photos)

Make your choices in accordance with the Womp Mafia guidelines. Please give detailed reasoning behind your scoring. You don't need to sugar coat anything. There are no right or wrong answers. None of these bodies will be competing at the events. This is purely a research and conversation type thread. The more responses the better. Thanks for your participation.

 

Concours Judging

Concours will be judged on the following criteria. Judging is recommended to start at 5 points and add or decrease as determined by the guidelines.

Overall appearance 1-10  -  Does the design and sponsors flow with the car, is it generally attractive. Single color car would not rate as high as multi color paint schemes. Do the colors match the sponsor colors?

Realistic concept 1-10 - What level of realism does the car have? Are the color choices realistic? Are the numbers/sponsors placed and sized in realistic proportions and locations? Airbrushing faded from one color to another isn't very realistic. A single color paint with only sticker numbers generally is not very realistic.

Percentage of paint 1-10  -  What percent of the car's design is painted. Is the coverage even? Do colors bleed or show through? Are the sponsors painted? Single color and stickers would not rate as high as high as multi color paint and fewer stickers.

Sticker cut and placement 1-10  - Where stickers are used, are they placed even? Are they neat and cut close to the graphics?  Are there wrinkles in the stickers?

Interior detail 1-10 - Is it off the shelf or did someone put time into it. Self painted interiors should considered effort for additional points regardless of neatness. Do the interior colors match the exterior colors? Did someone add details to a purchased interior?

 

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#2 John Luongo

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Posted 22 December 2022 - 05:00 AM

these are all amazing. VERY difficult to judge. i would have to turn them upside down to inspect the chassis for good soldering, cleanliness and design in order to find a winner.



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Posted 23 December 2022 - 08:47 AM

That really an easy choise, the last one, ut is the one with the most detailed work, and it looks fantastic, the others look ordinary compared to the last one.


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Posted 26 December 2022 - 11:57 AM

these are all amazing. VERY difficult to judge. i would have to turn them upside down to inspect the chassis for good soldering, cleanliness and design in order to find a winner.

 

The chassis won't tell you much since the Mafia requires the RGeo SS Goblin with no mods and very little soldering (bushings and motor only). Worse then that, they are all using the same chassis. I only have one.   But you do bring up a good point about including the chassis in judging. It is part of the car. I will need to think about that some.

 

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Posted 26 December 2022 - 12:28 PM

That really an easy choise, the last one, ut is the one with the most detailed work, and it looks fantastic, the others look ordinary compared to the last one.

 

I agree. All the other bodies I judge as being about the same.


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Posted 26 December 2022 - 02:41 PM

these are all amazing. VERY difficult to judge. i would have to turn them upside down to inspect the chassis for good soldering, cleanliness and design in order to find a winner.

 

Back in the early '70s, I won concours at a Modelville Hobby 500 lap race because my chassis was clean & polished. Another car had a body painted as good as mine, so they included chassis in the judging, but the other's was gross. The cars were our weekly Grp. 12s with Phaze III chassis on the Modelville Orange track. 


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Posted 27 December 2022 - 10:42 AM

I have never had a car's chassis judged as part of a concours competition, and I have been involved in several over the years.

 

Examples can be viewed HERE.


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Posted 27 December 2022 - 12:01 PM

While I have never noticed the car being turned over since I've been involved with retro, I definitely have seen examples of the underside being checked, back in my wing car days.

Guys haven't pointed out to me their highly polished chassis.

I recall one guy losing a concourse against another great car when the judge pointed out that his motor was soldered in somewhat sloppily, sort of like a mid race motor change.

I also recall that the loser wasn't aware the underside would be judged, and was less than excited.

I think that was the same race Doug Shepherd almost drew blood on Gary Puetz's forearm, "pointing" out that the front corners of his diaplane really weren't rounded.

PS-Mike P., awesome work on the bodies, especially the engine detail on the Retro F1 cars.

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