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#1 Phil Smith

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Posted 02 February 2023 - 12:29 AM

Selling quickly, 100% positive feedback, all seems to be going well. Very well. I have to give credit where credit is due.
 
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Posted 02 February 2023 - 10:34 AM

here's a ?, when the arms and brushes wear out on these throwaway motors is it practical to salvage the magnets and use them in any other motors or are the an odd size?


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Posted 02 February 2023 - 10:38 AM

here's a ?, when the arms and brushes wear out on these throwaway motors is it practical to salvage the magnets and use them in any other motors or are the an odd size?

In my experience, no. The magnets dissolve rather easily, especially in any kind of petrochemical based solvent. YMMV.


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Posted 02 February 2023 - 01:42 PM

I've never had magnets dissolve in all the solvent cleaning I've done. However, I did open a few of the crimped endbell motors and removed the magnets which came out easily (not bonded in). Magnets were strong and shiny plated, so I think solid neo. When I tried them in a removable endbell "F" motor can, they were slightly too big. I stopped there, but it may be possible to fit them with a little tip grinding. I knew the arms wouldn't work, but I tried anyway just to see what would happen, and the timing is so far off that they arc miserably and get hot rapidly.

 

The MOAM probably isn't a bad motor, just not the exceptional performance the marketing hype wants you to believe. There are Chinese companies that will build your personal "MOAM" or whatever else you'd like to call it for an order of 200 pieces, up to 70K rpm. A small investment, but not bad, and this guy is showing it's easy to sell them on Ebay at a healthy profit with a little fantasy marketing.


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Posted 02 February 2023 - 01:57 PM

Magnets were strong and shiny plated, so I think solid neo. When I tried them in a removable endbell "F" motor can, they were slightly too big. I stopped there, but it may be possible to fit them with a little tip grinding.

 

 

Bill, a long time ago I watched a video about manufacturing neo magnets. They're plated because the magnet material reacts with oxygen and corrodes. Badly.

 

So that's why they're shiny and why you can't really grind them. I'm not sure any of that applies to plastic Neos.
 


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Posted 03 February 2023 - 02:43 AM

Most sealed can magnets fit just fine in old proslot puppydogs and similar cans.


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Posted 03 February 2023 - 10:39 AM

I've never had magnets dissolve in all the solvent cleaning I've done.

All I know is that if you put an old Falcon (what I used) can in lacquer thinner in hopes of loosening the magnets, they dissolve. Whether they were neo or not, I can't say. Not enough material left.


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Posted 04 February 2023 - 04:33 PM

The last post was made by the seller of this MOAM motor and honestly, tiptoes over the line into a promotion for a product he sells, i.e. close to an ad.

As long-time members here know, there are just a few places where advertising is permitted at Slotblog.

Hopefully, I will be able to speak to Jonathan this weekend to discuss the situation.

Until then, I'm locking this thread.


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Posted 07 February 2023 - 11:48 AM

Hi, This is Jonathan

 

I wanted to address some of the posts I've seen in this thread. 

 

"All I know is that if you put an old Falcon (what I used) can in lacquer thinner in hopes of loosening the magnets, they dissolve. Whether they were neo or not, I can't say. Not enough material left."

 

While I do not have a falcon to look at right in front of me, I can safely assume that the magnets are laminate ferric oxide magnets. These are the same magnets what would be used on a refrigerator business card magnet. I have no doubt that any number of things would completely dissolve them, and I have seen prototype, and even production motors with this type of magnet. I have a few that will turn 80,000 RPM at 12 volts.... RPM's are not everything. 

 

"Bill, a long time ago I watched a video about manufacturing neo magnets. They're plated because the magnet material reacts with oxygen and corrodes. Badly.

 

So that's why they're shiny and why you can't really grind them. I'm not sure any of that applies to plastic Neos."

 

I haven't tried it but I would not suggest grinding on neodymium magnets. They are extremely hard, and also very brittle. 

 

"I've never had magnets dissolve in all the solvent cleaning I've done. However, I did open a few of the crimped endbell motors and removed the magnets which came out easily (not bonded in). Magnets were strong and shiny plated, so I think solid neo. When I tried them in a removable endbell "F" motor can, they were slightly too big. I stopped there, but it may be possible to fit them with a little tip grinding. I knew the arms wouldn't work, but I tried anyway just to see what would happen, and the timing is so far off that they arc miserably and get hot rapidly.

 

The MOAM probably isn't a bad motor, just not the exceptional performance the marketing hype wants you to believe. There are Chinese companies that will build your personal "MOAM" or whatever else you'd like to call it for an order of 200 pieces, up to 70K rpm. A small investment, but not bad, and this guy is showing it's easy to sell them on Ebay at a healthy profit with a little fantasy marketing."

 

All I will say to this post is that chineese companies exaggerate specifications of what they are selling 95% of the time if not more. I genuinely got very lucky in the supplier of the MOAM motor. It's not without it's downfalls however. What we aren't talking about is the time I spent talking to suppliers, the number of prototype orders I paid for and threw in the garbage, and what it actually cost me to bring MOAM to market in it's current form.... I promise this was not an easy project. I'm here because I love slot cars, not because I want to make money.

 

"here's a ?, when the arms and brushes wear out on these throwaway motors is it practical to salvage the magnets and use them in any other motors or are the an odd size?"

 

Ironically I have people tearing MOAM's apart for the magnets I do not know in what all aspects they are useful, I don't BUILD motors myself. However, my team does (with or without my consent, just like when I asked them not to break in the motors in mean green and they did anyway). I was firm about that fact that I needed to know what the motors would do right out of the box..... I still got cars built with "broken in" motors.... I still love my team, it is what it is..... (quietly grumbles under my breath) They do great things. Anyway, they have been ripping apart MOAM's and using the magnets in various prototype motors I have sent for testing..... wouldn't ya know it.... they have developed another motor that performs VERY well. So yes, the magnets are very re-useable, and I will happily post how they are removing them from the original MOAM (or cut one apart myself) asap. (give me a week....)

 

"Selling quickly, 100% positive feedback, all seems to be going well. Very well. I have to give credit where credit is due."

100% isn't actually accurate. There have been a select few problems with gearing that burned up motors. I have experienced it myself on king tracks that cross the 14 volt barrier. The wrong gearing on a 14 volt king track will let the magic smoke out of MOAM. This is the next speed bump in development that we must cross.... we will get there.

 

I'm not in this for the money. I have two current projects in progress, I'm not going to speak of them publicly, but they have the opportunity to change the face of 1/24 slot car racing as we know it. All I will say until those branches bear further fruit is that I'm trying as hard as possible. I'm happy to answer any questions about the workings/technology/build of the MOAM series motors, but I am not advertising them here. I will also answer any questions about FK (crimped end) motors to the best of my ability. The current plans are to open a thread on this forum to purchase them without all the Ebay crap involved. There is also a project in the works that might be the biggest thing since strap motors to touch the sport. However, I will not speak on that until it is reaching a more mature state. IF we get to that point, I will probably launch the products on this forum instead of on ebay.

 

Until then, please ask any questions. I will not be selling motors on this forum until I have formally set up an advertisement thread. However, I am HAPPY to answer any questions or interest in FK motors, in which I can provide an accurate answer!!!

 

Thank you to everyone,

Jonathan Anderson


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Posted 05 May 2023 - 02:29 AM

here's a ?, when the arms and brushes wear out on these throwaway motors is it practical to salvage the magnets and use them in any other motors or are the an odd size?

Re-using a Pheonix BB Motor and using a JK White endbell and a Top Gun arm and G7 brushes with shunt wire can result in a motor that can run over 100mph on the 1/4 mile


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