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#1 Pablo

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 02:37 PM

Parts gathering/planning is roughly complete. I have several mounting bracket choices, including a couple of Don Weaver customs
 
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-Plumbered tilting brass pan anglewinder right hand endbell drive chassis
-16D Pablo built and blueprinted motor, ProSlot S16C arm .540 OD 42 deg in a .580 hole, modern mags, Mabuchi can, SKF vintage BB in a Champion EB with plate, mounting holes tapped 2-56. This motor has way too much power for a jaildoor. It's been sitting in a baggie waiting for a proper home a long time - this is it
-3/32 axles with dc-65x wheels both ends.
-Gears 64P, 8T Sonic/42T Faas
-Chassis width 3 1/8
-Rears 13/16, fronts 3/4

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 05:05 PM

  Builds like this are why I'm glad to see you posting again on this site.  Nothing better than a step by step to show how it's done!  I'll be following this one closely, I owend a 68' GTO way back when.


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Posted 24 March 2023 - 05:32 PM

1st gen and early 2nd gen were the best

 

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 07:52 PM

Thanks for the photo, Mike   :good:


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Posted 24 March 2023 - 07:56 PM

Hi Pablo,

 

Looks like a great project. I'm looking forward to following along....thanks!


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Posted 25 March 2023 - 09:02 PM

Pro-era 1 1/4" wide .032 drop arm, never used. It cleaned up nicely and I tweaked the tilt up very slightly.

 

Rear axle tube finished and BB's installed with silver solder. Not for strength, but to prevent melting when I start flinging 60/40 and piano wires in close proximity   :)

 

Motor bracket attached temporarily. My plan is to make a practice motor box from 1/16 rod - much easier to work with as a "template" for the real one - .055 Swiss wire

 

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Posted 26 March 2023 - 01:06 PM

Making the "practice" motor box, it became clear the motor needs to be set as far right as possible.

It's a tricky tap dance between wheel clearances, weight bias, motor angle and gear mesh.

 

So I trimmed the pinion and shaft (very carefully). Scary, but it worked

 

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Posted 26 March 2023 - 07:53 PM

Nice pinion shortening job.   :good:

 

I find getting a motor box Korrectly setup is a real pain Pablo. Whenever I build one I

am reminded how much easier it is to build a good old Lee Gilbert style half rail chassis.

 

Unfortunately my favorite period of angle winder cars are mostly motor box style chassis.   :wacko2:


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Posted 26 March 2023 - 09:52 PM

Steve Okeefe still has a "how-to" article on here making the Emott style motor box.


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Posted 27 March 2023 - 12:04 AM

Since this isn't a copy of any particular car, I was free to do it however I liked. Box is .055 wire braced with some .039. More bracing to follow .....

 

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Posted 27 March 2023 - 11:25 AM

Nice start to the motor box.  I like the idea of using two pieces plus an 'L'" brace.


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Posted 02 April 2023 - 11:12 PM

Thanks Rodney, but I changed my mind - I can't use a brass strip laying flat across the rods with the .039 wires like that. So I removed them.

I love soldering - change my mind or make a mistake, fix it no problem

 

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Painting? Botch it, and you are done  :dash2:  :laugh2:


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Posted 05 April 2023 - 11:49 AM

Motor box transition to rails is unconventional - this car isn't a clone, just me having fun using my gut feelings. A 1/4 wide .025 brass strip will cover and strengthen.

Since the actual BB's are already installed, a bubble bath with Dawn and baking soda is mandatory between each step  :crazy:

 

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Some Lee Gilbert (R.I.P.) influence. Maybe somewhat overbuilt, but it is a big stock car after all ........

 

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Posted 06 April 2023 - 10:32 PM

Motor box to rails cross connect brass sheet is 15 thou, not 25 - no sense adding heft to something that's already stout enough.

Front axle tube secured, dummy front rail cross connector discarded. All wires are Swiss plated - strong stuff and saves lots of time

 

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Posted 07 April 2023 - 12:22 PM

Drop arm setup for tilting plumber rails. This time I did it just like dc-65x - .063 under, then 3/32 pieces buttressed with .047 piece up top  :sun_bespectacled:

 

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Motor and axle supports done. Feels good to get that precious Faas spur out of there and scrubbed

 

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Overbuilt? yes. The S16C arm is .540 OD, it's going to push a big stock car dangerously fast. You'd have to break several joints back there for a failure

 

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Posted 11 April 2023 - 10:12 PM

Front axle tube uprights wire wrapped and drop arm installed. Lots of inspiration here, from Lee Gilbert, dc-65, Jairus, Okeefe, and all my Slotblog vintage heroes. 

Hinge wires .055 for a hair of extra droop and wiggle. Upstop crosspiece has an extra piece placed about .023 lower to compensate for the .032/.055 disparity.

 

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Posted 12 April 2023 - 10:27 AM

I am enjoying your build, looking "super sano" :good: 


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Posted 12 April 2023 - 10:57 AM

Very nice work P!  :good: :good:


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Posted 12 April 2023 - 11:14 PM

Thank you, gentlemen  :D

Design influence now turns to Mike Katz, in a world where simple rectangular pans always work well on stock cars. 1/2 x .032 trussed up for pin tube surgery on the RGeo jig

 

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Solder is Koford silver. It won't melt when I attach hinge wires in close proximity with 60/40. Dries super fast and it's easy to see when it's done

 

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Posted 13 April 2023 - 01:06 PM

This is going to be one hot GTO!


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Posted 13 April 2023 - 01:40 PM

Can we see the body Paul?  Pleeezzze?


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Posted 13 April 2023 - 04:37 PM

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Posted 13 April 2023 - 06:20 PM

As I recall, JK released this GTO & a Dodge Charger about 15 yrs. ago. I bought a GTO because the Charger
looked bloated. My brother had a red '72 GTO which I drove several times.
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Posted 13 April 2023 - 07:24 PM

So... what you gonna paint on it?


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Posted 13 April 2023 - 08:40 PM

The car has not been earmarked for a potential buyer yet so the paint can be anything I want.

The moment I saw Mike Low's post #3, my mind was made up - black

 

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Jairus, do you want to do it for me? That would be great   :yes:  

 

Chassis is coming along nicely. Drop arm wire is .025 - I started the solder joint a little at a time going forward until I got the amount of pressure I wanted.

When I lift the front axle, the tongue droops a little, not much. A little "decoupling" is all it needs

 

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