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#1 Mark Onofri

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Posted 16 July 2023 - 09:25 PM

I just noticed these in a old Champion catalog. Part number 607-9. It's a nylon bearing adapter to go from the ~5/16 hole to the modern size 1/4?.
Anyone have one to post (or sell?)?
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Posted 16 July 2023 - 09:27 PM

This might help

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Posted 16 July 2023 - 09:50 PM

Those look like the Budweiser bearings in the 26Ds. No ball separators in a sheet metal casing. I might have had a pair 50 yrs. ago, but not now. Rick Thigpen in OR might have them, if anybody does.


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Posted 16 July 2023 - 10:39 PM

Ok, you got me on that one. Budweiser bearings? I hope there not Bud light bearings. What exactly are they?
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Posted 16 July 2023 - 11:21 PM

😮 I just got it
"No ball separators in a sheet metal casing." Sounds like Bud light bearings to me. 🤔 Think I'll try to get the nylon adapters.
Anyone have any? Even to post?

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Posted 17 July 2023 - 06:43 AM

Or Joe in NY may have one.

 

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Top left modified carrier, basically stripped of it's guts.

 

Top right stock Gimbal set up.

 

Bottom left, adapter with bearing installed.

 

Bottom right, bearing.

 

As usual, Bill is right. 

 

It is indeed a 26D end bell bearing  :good:

 

Next pic shows adapter in bearing carrier.

 

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Sorry, none for sale at this time.

 

Joe


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Posted 17 July 2023 - 11:23 AM

This might help

 

Is this what you're looking for?

 

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Posted 17 July 2023 - 02:13 PM

Bill B., you win. Unfortunately, they are out of stock! Ain't life a biach.

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Posted 17 July 2023 - 03:07 PM

Mark, you can easily resize a 6mm oilite bushing to fit inside a Mabuchi can housing like in post #6. Oilite bushings are far superior to the bearings used with these plastic rings. These rings only fit cans, not endbells.


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Posted 17 July 2023 - 06:52 PM

Maybe I should try a square one?

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Posted 17 July 2023 - 08:38 PM

How big is your hole?


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Posted 18 July 2023 - 06:46 AM

Sorry, Bill.

 

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Posted 18 July 2023 - 08:07 AM

How big is your hole?

 

How big is your can's hole?  :tease:Even if you had them, the plastic pieces are not going to retain a bearing or bushing in the can that you show in post #10.


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Posted 18 July 2023 - 09:12 AM

Maybe I should try a square one?

 

Professor Motor also has these along with a lot of other vintage Champion motor parts.

 

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Looks like the same can except that it has a rear bushing. 

 

Maybe you could drill out the hole in the bushing to whatever size you need for a (ball) bearing?

 

I also believe that there a few 1:1 racers at Speedy's. Maybe they could machine a part for your existing can?



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Posted 18 July 2023 - 08:23 PM

BillB, yes, there's one that I know of. Didn't want to go that far. I've got to laugh, yes, it's identical and, yes, that is the problem. No bearing!!!
Given enough time and money, anything is possible. I do not want to expend either. Just looking for a cost effective solution.
Billnh, with eagle eyes like yours, I'm surprised you didn't notice the rule in the picture. The hole is >=5/16".
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Posted 18 July 2023 - 08:58 PM

Given enough time and money, anything is possible. I do not want to expend either. Just looking for a cost effective solution.
 

 

1. Please define in $$$$ what you mean by "cost effective" solution. 

2. Why do you specifically need a "bearing" for your can?

3. Would some other can be an acceptable substitution for your existing can? 



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Posted 18 July 2023 - 09:21 PM

Bill B,$1.99 for a bearing. Really,<=$5.00. To answer the second part of your question, because I need several. Some for missing ones, some for replacement.

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Posted 18 July 2023 - 10:22 PM

 

Billnh, with eagle eyes like yours, I'm surprised you didn't notice the rule in the picture. The hole is >=5/16".

 

I did see your rule. The photo shows more than 5 squares going across the hole. How do I know if it's your rule, your photo, or if the hole is some metric size? I forget why I asked the question; it must not be that important.  :heat:

 

You could buy a length of bearing brass rod & have custom bushings made to fit the can holes.


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Posted 19 July 2023 - 08:47 AM

Bill B,$1.99 for a bearing. Really,<=$5.00. To answer the second part of your question, because I need several. Some for missing ones, some for replacement.

 

You might be able to find cheap Chinese bearings on ebay in your price range. They'll most likely be in metric sizes but may be suitable for the "replacements" that you need. 

 

Go to the Professor Motor web site and have a look at the "Motors Etc." parts for vintage Champion motors.

 

Part # MOT2643 is described as:

"Motors Etcetera 26D Motor CAN END Oilite Self Lubricating Bushing 0.302" OD Flanged - For 2mm Standard Motor Shaft - For Press Fit Into Champion Can - Vintage 1960's Components"

 

This part may also work with your Champion 16D cans with the "missing" bearings. 

 

Bill from NH has given you a lot of good advice in this thread for dealing with the Champion can. Hopefully you'll pay attention to it and figure something out.



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Posted 19 July 2023 - 09:59 AM

Billnh is definitely a wealth of knowledge isn't he.
I did take your leed and went to the Prof Motor site. Unfortunately, I was day late and a dollar short. There is a seller on eBay that I have started to converse with but,then I saw the Champion nylon adapter.

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Posted 19 July 2023 - 12:47 PM

Billnh is definitely a wealth of knowledge isn't he.
I did take your leed and went to the Prof Motor site. Unfortunately, I was day late and a dollar short. There is a seller on eBay that I have started to converse with but,then I saw the Champion nylon adapter.

 

Professor Motor is usually pretty good about restocking, so try again in a few weeks. You could also call them and ask when they might be restocking a particular part.  



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Posted 01 August 2023 - 07:29 AM

Billnh, I just did the math, well, Google helped a little.
5/16" = 7.95 M&Ms
So,6 M&M's are 🤔.

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Posted 01 August 2023 - 01:04 PM

2m&M's x 6m&M's are pretty common. Now what to do about the 1.95 m&M's that are missing. I'll bet there green.

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Posted 01 August 2023 - 03:12 PM

YouTube has a video about how they make M&Ms.  Near the end they tell you the percentage of each color that's packaged in a bag. If my memory is correct, there are 12.5% green ones. Other colors vary.


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Posted 05 September 2023 - 02:17 PM

Hopefully you can see the f&l suffixes. What's the difference? ¢10 that's what!! Actually, the 9F is smaller. The 9 L is larger.🤔 do you suppose the L is for larger?
Any chance someone knows who's got the 9-l's?

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