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#51 Lloyd Lawson

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 12:36 AM

I just painted and mounted a Ford long-nose Torino on my son's retro stock car chassis. I believe the body is too narrow. I like the length of the nose but I had to cut the front fenders for tire clearance. He won't be racing it in class, just hot lapping with Dad :) . After it is wiped out I'll switch him to a Fairlane. The body was also paper thin on the sides so I don't think it will last long.

I am a newbie and don't want to start trouble but the Fairlane fits the Retro dimensions better if you want to run a Ford.




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Posted 10 March 2009 - 07:17 PM

The following G-Force Racing Products Kirby Ti22 has been approved. Part number GFR-100B for .010" and GFR-100C for .015". It is also available in .007" but we all know that's not legal. ;)

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 08:11 PM

Thank you to the IRRA board for granting us approval.

Thank you to Noose, TonyP, Randy Kohr, and Dale Granger for all your input with this body and those to come. ;)

I'd also like to add, these bodies won't be legal at R4/2 as they will only be shipping to distributors Monday or Tuesday. Depends on how much of a R4 hangover I have. :laugh2: :laugh2:

Mike will have some Friday at Tom Thumb.

And here is a picture that shows the detail a little better. Painted by Noose of course!

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 10:48 PM

Mark:

Very nice body. Can you comment on the integrity of your .007" version?

Joe:

"It is alos available in .007" but we all know that's not legal"
The most recent body rule allows .007" bodies and is very clear with respect to flimsiness and cites how it can be corrected, but to say the .007 version is not legal is confusing. What's missing then?

"All approved Can-Am bodies are listed in the "Approved Body Lists" section. All bodies must be representative of
pre-1970 cars. Note: It is requested, in keeping with the spirit of retro racing, that bodies not be any less than .007"
thick on the sides. Any body found to be flimsy or a detriment to marshaling will need to be corrected by the racer.
Tape or body armor may be used to achieve the desired side thickness"


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Posted 10 March 2009 - 11:11 PM

The bodies are supposed to be pulled from .010" thickness but when you pull them, the sides will get thinner than .010".

So they determined that .007" was minimum on the sides, to leave some jiggle room for the vacuum procedure.
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 06:54 AM

Passing tech is a racer issue, not a manufacturer issue. I merely produce a product and I will pull whatever thickness a customer wants from .007" to .040".

That being said, most of the retro bodies my raceway sells are in fact .007" and I've seen those same bodies race in Retro East and pass tech. I believe Red Fox pulls nothing but .007" bodies? At least I haven't seen anything but .007".

If retro/IRRA doesn't want .007" bodies, then that should be specified. Let's say a .007" body ends up with a .005" side, once it is painted it will meet the .007" side thickness.?

Ray, I think you already know our .007" bodies are more consistent then most and also remain thicker then most because of our manufacturing process and material being used. ;)

In the end, they are available any way a customer may want them.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 06:55 AM

Correct, Rick. We have to explain things a lot to Ray. His absences for long periods of time cause this. :laugh2:

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:08 AM

Must be the scrapple.
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:11 AM

Correct Rick. We have to explain things a lot to Ray. His absences for long periods of time cause this. :laugh2:

If that is indeed the case Noose, I guess you will be DQing a lot of racers this weekend???

I'd be happy to pull nothing but .010", it makes my life a lot easier. But remember what I said, Red Fox bodies are all .007" and I'd bet anything Hershman, Kisling, Marshall, and many others run this weekend started as a sheet of .007" polycarbonate.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just being realistic.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:12 AM

That being said, most of the retro bodies my raceway sells are in fact .007" and I've seen those same bodies race in Retro East and pass tech. I believe Red Fox pulls nothing but .007" bodies?

You are correct that some have used .007" bodies coming into tech the first time.

When they leave for the last time there is usually tape along the full side to meet the .007" thickness required. ;)

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:39 AM

I'd love to see thicker bodies so they last longer...

How about IRRA legal bodies can only be .010" or they are not legal if there is also a thin version. Makes it simpler for the racers and tracks.

Would for sure weed out the bodies.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:45 AM

Nice work on that body, Mark. Where can we get some?
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:45 AM

I'd love to see thicker bodies so they last longer...

10-4 on that one. If IRRA can mandate no tire changes, they can surely mandate .010" bodies only. I think D3 has?
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 08:01 AM

Where can we get some?

Hi Rob,

We are releasing them this weekend at the R4. Monday when I return I'll be filling my distributor orders and filling our raceway stock. The fastest way to get one might be to order one from Tom Thumb as he will be the first raceway to have them.

If you don't mind waiting til next week, you can order direct from our racewayat (717) 832-3170 or your local raceway will be able to get them from Eagle by the end of next week.

Thanks for asking.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 08:04 AM

Good job, Marko!!!

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 08:08 AM

LOL, thanks, John.

It's a secret! I can tell you we are currently making molds for all IRRA classes. including a Chevy Nascar for Ricky! :D

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 08:12 AM

We need more choices for the retro Stock Cars, that's for sure.
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 08:18 AM

I sure HOPE someone is making us some Chevy bodies? Tired of looking at Mopars. LOL.
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 08:49 AM

If that is indeed the case Noose, I guess you will be DQing a lot of racers this weekend???

No DQ'ing. Supplying a lot of tape perhaps and helping guys get it right.

We want guys to race so it is to everyone's benefit that they present a body that meets the specs. The longer it takes to tech, the longer it is going to make the day.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 09:00 AM

Yep, and none of the bodies being teched this weekend are G-Force bodies, but some will be .007". So why make a issue of me making .007" avail?

I guess what I'm saying is, instead of making .007" illegal, you've given the racers a way around the .010" rule and they have continued use of .007" bodies. I'm just offering the same as the others. :scratch_one-s_head:

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 09:29 AM

tonyp said:

How about IRRA legal bodies can only be .010" or they are not legal if there is also a thin version.

I agree, only I would change that "or" to an "and".
Slippery slope here...
a manufacturer could produce an even thinner (.006", .005"...) body that could be made race legal with tape.

Just because a product exists doesn't mean it should exist.
Thinner bodies handle better.
Thinner bodies cost more in the long run.
Thinner bodies appeal to the SCM in all of us.
That's why they should go away.
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 09:32 AM

The experienced racer knows that...

Body armor should not be used to build up the gauge of the side panels as it will have a serious adverse effect on the intended handling characteristcs of a legal .007" body. By doing this you are adding .010", resulting in a total gauge of .017"+. Of course there is the racer who will add strapping tape to prevent the body armor from disengaging, then all hell really breaks loose on the track. :angry:

My point is if it measures .007" it is legal according to the rulz. Reinforce your body sparingly and carefully and you will have a car that handles well and will be legal. Don't just stack that crap on to get through tech. ;)

For the newbies... any Ti22 with its legal .007"-.010" flat sides still have a significant amount of side to side movement, which is why they handle so well if properly set up. Over do the reinforcement and it destroys the handling characteristics of the body.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 09:37 AM

If all the bodies were thicker, the handling would be the same, it is all relative. You would not have to put $3 worth of body armor on them and they would last more than a race.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 09:46 AM

I agree 100% Tony, and would have no issue only making .010" or thicker bodies only. As stated above that only makes my job easier.

I've got a problem with everyone else has been doing it for how long now, but it only becomes a problem now because I said I'd make them available??? What the heck is that about???

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 09:48 AM

Tony,

All your cars are "stuck" to the track regardless. LOL!
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