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#1 Chris Burlew

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Posted 17 June 2024 - 12:01 PM

So quick background notes, my introduction to Slot Cars was in 1967 at a hobby shop in Santa Maria, California. In front was the hobby shop and in back was a huge custom built track. I was amazed and captured by what I saw that day as it was nothing like the little electric car sets that we all had at home. Fast forward to 1972 and I am graduating High School and my folks have decided to move to Alice Springs Australia. (Netflicks - "Pine Gap") We had followed my step father from one military base to another all my life and I was done, so I decided to stay and share an apartment with a friend from high school. I found work at a place called MAC in Costa Mesa California. I should mention here that from 1969 to 1972 I had raced every Monday night at a local track in Buena Park California known as Monaco Miniatures. I was asked the other day by a friend at work, that looking back was there a time in life I would want to go back to and at first I said no, but the question lingered and the next day it came to me that those Monday evening races brought more excitement and joy than any other point in my life, who knew. I mention all this minutia to bring forward how important slot cars were at the time to me, even though now looking back I was obviously ten to fifteen years too late to the party and to start to tell the story of Monaco and Outisight and how important they were even into the slot car racing picture of the seventies.

 

I do not recall the name of the owner of the Orange track we raced on at Monaco when I first started racing there, but like the men that built the track in Santa Maria I believe they were from the slot car craze of the early sixties who simply got in too late, thankfully for me they did anyway. This was where I met the subject of this short story, one Mr. Frank Pretzman and his son Billy. Frank loved his son and was so very proud of him, we would see each other every Monday for years and over time built a friendship. However by 1972 I needed to work to pay the rent and slot car racing took a bit of a back seat. Did I mention MAC was my first real nine to five job, with Barry Crowe, and Johnny and Lloyd all working in the slot car business, my dream job right? Barry was an engine builder from England and my first day on the job I had to find space in my section of the building to work because he had parked a Chaparral, the "vacuum" car inside my work area. Lets not get side tracked here, Johnny was the "engineer" who built the vacuum forming machine they bought from Lancer Bodies and all the "trimming" machines and Lloyd, well Lloyd was the mold maker. I was their first full time employee so Lloyd showed me everything, how to run the machine, what temperature to heat the body molds up to and how hot to get the lexan for the very best and cleanest body "pull". How he would start with a general body shape and make it into something else and then cast it in this red rubber, that got everywhere, truly you would find it days later in places you never thought to clean. Finally that mold would yield a gray epoxy mold that Lloyd work on for days to get just right. His ability to "scribe" lines and make the lump of gray epoxy into the shape of a race car was amazing, never saw anyone better. Did I mention that every now and then a "Crazy Frenchman" named Phillippe de Lespinay would pop in and spend a couple hours talking to the owners. I was still very young at heart and I admired them all as they were involved in racing at several different levels and they were doing the things I wanted to be doing at the time. However they too had gotten into the world of Slot Car racing much too late and after just a few years MAC was sold to Ken of Parma fame. I honestly never forgave Ken for taking my life away from me and moving the company to some far away place in the land of Ohio I believe, just to make money.

 

Okay so what does all this have to do with Frank and Monaco you might be asking. Well while I had been working the man that owned Monaco finally saw the writing on the wall and he wanted out. That is when Frank stepped in and bought the shop, I am not sure why as I doubt it made him any money, but he had his own profession during the day and he and his son had the hobby shop the rest of the time. As for me, well when MAC came to an end I needed another job and I kicked around for a while without any success at least nothing like what I had at MAC and in the end I decided to do as my folks wanted and go back to school. They paid a bit but not enough to live on and go to school and Frank was kind enough to take me in. He gave me a job after school and he and Joan, his wife, became my surrogate mom and dad.

 

Frank and Billy ran the shop and held races and eventually became aware of the USRA local slot car racing events, which both Billy and I attended with a slight bit of success until a gentleman name Hexler came in one day. I think he might have been a part of the slot car craze in the mid sixties as he had speed and designs that were faster than ours from his first time on the track. I am skipping ahead here in hopes you folks reading this do not fall asleep asking where is Outisight Designs in all this. Please have faith it is coming. Mr. Hexler became friends with Frank and spoke to Frank about modifying the American Red track that we had acquired and so he and Mr. Hexler rebuilt the entire track, especially the "Bank" which he had built and hand routed so we could try and run flat out through there. He did not rob parts from the Orange track, we still had folks come in and run on it as well for years there after. The track was painted black on the outside and also the new epoxy racing surface was black, it was awesome as Frank put down all new braid and brought in a marine style battery and charger to keep the power flowing it was awesome.

 

Okay Outisight fans, skip forward another couple years and who comes in one day but Steve Bogut, fresh out of the Army I believe where he had been a dental assistant in Vietnam. Steve was soft spoken but very smart and very quick. I can recall all the days we would be there together and between himself and Frank and I we would try to see who could leave the most replays on the pin ball machines up front, very special times in deed. Skip forward some more and it was obvious Frank wanted to be more than a hobby shop owner so he spoke to me about putting together a small business where we sold bits and pieces for the Slot Car industry. We started small and grew to where we needed more room so Frank sold the Orange track and a friend of mine Wendell Smith showed me how to build an office inside half of the hobby shop building. Frank found a vacuum machine exactly like the one we had at MAC and we started to consider making bodies to paint and sell at the hobby shop. By this time Steve, myself and Foamy were racing intensely in the local USRA races and we were always testing and trying things, new things on the awesome black Red Track. One of the things was with bodies and aerodynamics. I still have nightmares about some of the things Foamy would come up with but in the end the bodies we cut up and glued back together were what made Outisight designs what it became. We as racers were always coming up with new ideas for the shape, cut here, glue that front to this rear, lower that section, extend that, truly made by and for racers. We were not trying to copy a real race car shape, only to make our cars go faster and I believe by the time of the 1977 Nationals race at Monaco everyone, yes everyone ran one of our Outisight designs bodies.

 

I have been away from racing since 1977 and Frank has passed away into slot racing heaven, but I believe Outisight Designs was and still is one of the most successful body companies ever to RACE slot cars. There are a hundred more stories to go along here, but time and space is limited, I just wanted Frank's dream and the history of his Monaco to get out there, so thanks for your time, and THANKS FRANK for all you did for me.


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Posted 17 June 2024 - 12:48 PM

Thank you for that, Chris. I enjoyed it.


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Posted 17 June 2024 - 02:00 PM

Chris, keep dropping these stories as your time allows. When I started wing car racing in the early '70s, the Lancer Porsche Coupe was the body of choice here in the Northeast, Then Lancer closed down & it became the MAC Porsche. I don't know if Parma ever pulled Porsche Coupes. If they did, we never used them. We went to an open-cockpit Dynamic Porsche & then a Lucas Matra. When the Outasight Ferrari (001?) became available we went to it & ran it into the '80s. I know Outasight came out with several other bodies during this time, because I got some from Ron Granlee, but the Ferraris simply worked. Ron Hershman owns Outasight today in Indiana. I'm not up on his current business since the last local raceway closed in 2010.

 

Steve Bogut was Navy rather than Army. When he was stationed on the East coast, I would see him sometimes monthly when he ran for Camen & worked parttime for Joel.


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Posted 17 June 2024 - 04:16 PM

Quick? lol.

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Posted 17 June 2024 - 04:18 PM

My understanding is that Ron Hershman sold Outisight Designs to Roger Schmitt, and it's now part of the Mid-America family along with Parma.

 

When Ron first bought the company, he offered all the bodies, including the early ones.

 

Roger has re-introduced several of the later Outisight and Parma catalog bodies, but it would be nice if it was eventually possible to order the early bodies from both companies.

 

I have memories of 70s and early 80s bodies that still interest me.


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Posted 17 June 2024 - 04:40 PM

Order enough and if he has the mold I'm sure he will pull them.


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Posted 17 June 2024 - 05:38 PM

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Hey guys,

 

Thank you for the update, Bill. I was guessing on the Army. I think most of my friends, like Steve, would get their draft number and then run down and join the Navy. That was how things went for Billy Pretzman, and that might have been the last time we ever raced together.

 

 

This was the original Ferrari Coupe 01. Do you suppose Ron or Roger would have any of the t-shirts left like the one Bob "the Stork" Crane wore to win the 1977 Bicentennial?


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Posted 17 June 2024 - 05:57 PM

Sometimes the mold would start as a roadster and later become a coupe, no one wanted to have to add a driver, although we did have a mold for that as well. I think this might have started life as something Foamy thought was worth developing, the body was far longer than anything I liked to run, but he made it work.Started as a roadster....jpg Started as a roadster....jpg The first was a roadster then this coupe.jpg

 

 



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Posted 17 June 2024 - 06:16 PM

Ferrari post 1977 from Dan Cooney and second owner of Outisight Designs.jpg

 

 

When Frank finally was done with Monaco he sold Outisight designs to a local gentleman name Frank Correia, forgive me if I have miss spelled the last name, I did not know him. Dan Cooney was a friend of mine from our days running on the track at Hobby City, right here off Beach Boulevard in Anaheim I believe. It was a two story monster where they had nets to save your car if it came off the track on the upper level. He and Frank ran the biz for a while and then Frank C. also ended up selling but along the way Dan must have done some work for him and here is a sample. I am sure there must be more...



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Posted 17 June 2024 - 06:27 PM

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Hello Bill, Did it look anything like this?   I think Steve, Myself and Foamy began to use this body style more and more as the tracks locally went further and further away from allowing us to add glue to the track. In fairness after the debacle in 1977 at Monaco where the guys from Fogsville came down and destroyed the track for everyone except themselves with their very narrow cut rear tires I am surprised any track owner allowed us to add glue. There were only a few who could run through it and I recall Joel being one, he had so much more HP than the rest of us it was crazy. I had to drive from the "Q" consy to get to the main and finish third, having led a great deal of the race while Joel was on the outside lanes. However when he got to the middle lanes it was all over, passing in the straights appeared so much easier and he would rifle past!



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Posted 17 June 2024 - 07:54 PM

1973 Western States race at Monaco Raceway....jpg

 

Here then in this photo you can see in 1973 the Orange track in the back ground and Lee Gilbert standing next to the "switch-back" for the red track.

 

A fairly impressive group of racers here, Mike and Billy Steube, Joel, Cukras, Lee Gilbert, Tony P, Fred "da flas" and George Markulin with Phillippe having his back to the camera. I am there as well looking like someone who is about to end his day in the "Q" consy, which along with Lee Gilbert is exactly what I did. These were all the racers I looked up to and I fell flat on my face, but Frank had the track up and running at its very best and frankly might never have been as good as it was that day, even with the mess the fogsville guys made of the track.

 

Big Thanks to Mark Rosenwinkel for the photo and copied scale racing magazines. I left all that behind and it was good to see some of it again.


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Posted 17 June 2024 - 08:03 PM

Outisight Designs 1973ish.jpg

 

We had our own little mascot and at the Bicentennial Bob Crane won wearing an Outisight Designs T-Shirt with our mascot on the front... Good Job Frank Pretzman, hobby shop and business man extraordinaire!



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Posted 18 June 2024 - 12:39 AM

Chris, thank you for posting remember when the Ferrari body knock the Lucas Matra off as the body to run. 



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Posted 18 June 2024 - 04:57 AM

So that's where those .001 thick bodies came from!   :laugh2:



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Posted 18 June 2024 - 09:05 AM

Outisight was a major manufacturer on the landscape at the annual Nats race for literally decades.  In my efforts to document all the Group 7 Pro mains from every year, I share the following.

 

1975: This is the first year verified for Outisight bodies placing in the Group 7 pro main.  Chris Burlew scored a very impressive 2nd place running his Porsche.  Outisight placed five bodies in the main.

1976: Champion Bob “Stork” Crane won the race with an O/S Alpha Long and Ernie Provetti came in second with the soon to be iconic O/S Ferrari.  Again, five racers in the pro main ran O/S bodies.

1977: Joel Montague won the race running an O/S Ferrari.

1978: Jan Limpach won the race running an O/S Ferrari.

1979: Unverified, but highly likely Steve Bogut was running the O/S Ferrari when we won the race at Buzz-A-Rama.  I have never found any post-race report or tech sheet from this race, or any close-up photos of the cars.

1980: All eight drivers in the pro main ran O/S Ferrari’s.  Ernie Provetti won the race.

1981: Paul Pfieffer won his first championship and again every driver in the pro main ran the O/S Ferrari.

1982:  For the third consecutive year, EVERY driver in the pro main used the O/S Ferrari, with Paul Pfieffer winning his second title running.

1983: After a seven-year winning streak, P.A. Watson scored 2nd with an O/S Ferrari.

1984: No Outisight bodies in the pro main.

1985: Same as above.

1986: P.A. Watson won running an O/S Tiga.

1987: O/S bodies were featured on the 3rd – 5th – 7th & 8th cars.

1988: O/S bodies were featured on the 5th & 6th placing cars.

1989: P.A. Watson won with an O/S Vette.

1990: O/S had one body in the pro main, finishing 8th

1991: No O/S bodies placed in the pro main.

1992: O/S had one body in the pro main, finishing 8th

1993: P.A. Watson lead a podium sweep for O/S: 1st, 2nd & 3rd.

1994: O/S had the body on the second-place finisher

1995: Martin Gramman won using an O/S Vette.  This was the last time an O/S body won the Nats through 2005.  After 2005, it becomes extremely difficult for the documentation as full tech sheet results, so common up to that point, virtually disappeared with the demise of hardcopy publications and the dominance of race results on the internet.

1996-1998, 2000-2005: No O/S bodies documented in the pro main.

1999: Bob Everett’s 6th place appears to be the last time an O/S body placed in the pro main.  This only applies through 2005.  From 2006 onwards, very little hard tech data is available.

 

Hat’s off to Chris Burlew for founding and creating one of the storied bodies in the history of 1/24th scale slot car racing!


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Posted 18 June 2024 - 09:14 AM

A belated "Greetings and Welcome" Chris!

 

What a wonderful memory and thank you for sharing!

 

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Posted 18 June 2024 - 10:48 AM

Chris,

Thanks for the history. O/S bodies were the cornerstone of Aero Racing Products (along with Camen and Koford) from our founding in 1987. Over the next 25 years I bought and painted 10s of thousands of O/S bodies from Frank C. and later from Ron H. They were always our biggest sellers and the most consistent quality. Ah, such happy times...


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Posted 18 June 2024 - 11:59 AM

Thanks for the posts guys and the kind history lesson Mark. I thought all that might merit a remark in Phillippe's book, but when it came to Monaco and Frank he made some silly one line remark and went on his way. Oh well he was never involved so maybe he simply did not know all Frank had achieved, you can not know what you do not know I was always told.

 

We did some crazy things when cutting up the bodies to make new designs. My favorite was to cut the "Porsche" body right behind the drop in back of the front wheel area and lay the body flat on the chassis, I just never figured out how to make the mold work that way and so it was a non-starter. Rob we did experiment with "weight saving" bodies as it was my dream to make them as light as possible, always too much weight once painted and glued and stapled together with all the wing material. So I took to spacing the body mold up off the table maybe 1/4 to 1/2 inch and then let the lexan pull down over the mold. (Only for the ones Steve or I or Foamy raced.) We had some so thin they would be like tissue paper and only last until you came off the track the first time and the gorilla handed marshal would literally crush the body. They were tooooooo thin to retain their shape and so you were done.

 

Over the years I have given some thought to making a mold or two on my own here, try to give another perspective to body design other than what Phillippe calls the "blobs" we run now. I do not believe the body needs to be as non descript as they currently appear and would still go just a quick, but that's just my opinion and chances are we will never know.

 

PS. Frank knew the strength of the Lucas Matra back East, and since we were not there to run against them he bought the company. It was in the early days of Outisight. I recall getting the "Business" in a couple boxes and could not believe it. They had a home made wooden "vac" machine that would only pull one body at a time and they used an old toaster to heat the 12"x12" sheets of lexan. We did pull some bodies off the mold he sent along with the vacuum machine but frankly I thought we already had better designs and we never saw any orders of any significance for the body once we owned it. I do not know what Frank paid for the business but he was definitely "given the business" if you know what I mean.



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Posted 18 June 2024 - 03:47 PM

Good stuff Chris.

Outisight were the go to bodies in that era. 

I got back into slots in the 80’s. At that time the corvette was the winningest body. The Vette, Royal and Tiga (my favorite) were the popular bodies.

I raced on team Outisight when Frank Coreia owned it. I remember him showing me the vacuum machine, molds and the bodies he had in stock. I still have my black and red Team Shirts and bodies in my showcase.  

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Posted 19 June 2024 - 02:10 PM

Hello Roy,

 

Thanks for the photos. I never met your Frank, did you know another friend of his, a Mr. Daniel O'Cooney (I knew him as Dan Cooney) by chance? I was recently trying to locate Dan, but have not been able to find him. I thought he might have moved to Arizona or New Mexico and I had a message from him on one of the old messenger apps.

 

I also thought he had worked with Mr. Coreia back in the day. Did Mr. Coreia also have a slot car shop in Buena Park?

 

Thanks again for the photos, cool shirts, much more refined than the very loud yellow t-shirts we had back in our day!!!



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Posted 19 June 2024 - 07:53 PM

Hello Chris.
I remember Dan Cooney of “ Neat Things “. A So Cal local.

He painted bodies and sold parts under Neat Things.

Not sure if painted bodies for Frank C.

He made a nice Int 15 Box Stock chassis for the beginner class that my son won quite a few races with. I think I still have it in one of my old boxes.

I believe Frank might have been part owner of Monaco located La Palma ave  / Knott ave. It closed less than a year after I got back into racing. Didn’t really meet him until after. 

Haven’t seen Dan since the 90’s. 


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Posted 19 June 2024 - 09:12 PM

Dan had a short stint living in Michigan, working for Proslot, in the late 80's or early 90's.


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Posted 20 June 2024 - 04:26 PM

Mike,

 

Dan Cooney and Dan DeBella in the same room at the same time..???  I am certain I would not want to see that experiment unfold. They were both very talented "machinists" but personalities might not have matched up well.... hmmmmm.

 

Mr. DeBella and I had a short lived friendship when he first moved down here to the LA/Orange county area from Fogsville. Dan was a doctor Frankenstein when it came to  winding and building motors. You could ask him for more raw speed and he would give you something so fast you could not put down enough glue in the "dead-man" to keep it out of the wall. So I would go back and ask for a bit more of a balance approach and the car would stop well before the dead-man. I never understood how or what he would change or why, but his motors were always fast. Frankly the issue for me was simply that they were much faster than what I had available to me and my cars were set up to go into the turns at a certain speed, both his motors and Joels that he lent me on occasion were just so much faster than mine that neither I nor my cars were able to get into the proper rhythm to be driven quickly. It sure would have been nice though to pass folks on the straight bits. 


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Posted 20 June 2024 - 07:57 PM

Chris, I remember Russ Boyington of Bullitt motors was tied in with Dan Debella somehow. Did Dan wind arms around the time of The Bicentennial race? Just saw Ed Sohl a couple weeks ago at PJ raceway.



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Posted 20 June 2024 - 09:11 PM

Mike,

 

Dan Cooney and Dan DeBella in the same room at the same time..???  I am certain I would not want to see that experiment unfold. They were both very talented "machinists" but personalities might not have matched up well.... hmmmmm. 

As I said, "short stint".

 

You are telling a lot of entertaining, interesting stories.

 

IMO, your tact has been improving on telling them vs. maybe some of the earlier ones.

 

As a moderator, I appreciate it.


Mike Swiss
 
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder

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