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[sledman]

Formula 1 on the King – 7/2/24
 

 
With this race the MVH Tuesday Night Retro Series will have run F1 on the King track five times at the midyear mark of 2024. This week saw a field of seven take to the track in the 4-on/3-off format running over 14 heats. The lead-on marshal also ran the track call button.
 
Cars in Tech: 

 
Early in the race, Rick Pare, running a loaner from Woody Hazelwood, managed to bend an axle plus disintegrated a rear bearing.  After diagnosing the problem, which would have taken some effort to resolve, he switched to a loaner from Dave Panich and continued, but was well off the pace.
 
Meanwhile, Ray Lee and Dave Panich were out front leading the field, running even at 166 laps each at the move to the inside lanes. Rob Hayes was in contention for the podium, two laps behind but four laps ahead of Woody who had logged 160 laps. In fifth, trailing by two laps, Cody Pare was three laps ahead of Richard Payne. Rick closed out the field, thirteen laps out of sixth.
 
Some drivers had problems negotiating the ninety going under the bridge on black, though there didn’t appear to be a problem with the lane. Regardless, both Dave and Rob tangled with the wall in major fashion. Dave’s handling was impacted and upon further examination, his chassis required a bit of solder to make it to the end, though Rob continued without any major degradation.
 
When time ran out, Ray took the win by just eleven track sections over Dave. “Pedro Podium” (Rob) hung on for third place, finishing seven laps behind Ray and Dave. Woody lacked both horsepower and handling but was able to stay in sight of the podium but never made the charge on his way to fourth.
 
Dave logged the fastest lap of the evening with a 4.110 on orange. Pedro had the second fastest time posting a 4.117 on green while race-winner Ray had a 4.172 on blue.
 
Overall Finishing order, laps completed, best lap time, best lap lane:

•  Ray Lee                  330/29    4.172    BL
•  Dave Panich            330/18    4.110    OR
•  Rob Hayes              323/30    4.117    GN
•  Woody Hazelwood   320/4      4.229    YL
•  Cody Pare               314/5     4.281    WT
•  Richard Payne         309/6     4.406    OR
•  Rick Pare                295/8     4.296    YL

UPCOMING EVENTS:
 
        MVH Tuesday Night Retro Race Schedule for July:
            July 9       Can-Am on the Figure 8
            July 16     Coupe on the Aristocrat
            July 23     Stock Car on the Royal
            July 30     F1 on the King
        
Podium: (L to R):
2nd Place–Dave Panich, 1st Place–Ray Lee, 3rd Place–“Pedro Podium” Hayes 

 
Ray’s 1^st Place Chassis: 

 
Dave’s 2^nd Place Chassis: 

 
Rob’s 3^rd Place Chassis: 

 
Thanks to Rob Hayes for the panorama photo of the racers and track!

[MSwiss]

Terrific race report, as always.

 

Interesting detail on Pedro Podium's car.

 

I'm guessing it's some sort of anti-nose dragging device.

 

[Eddie Fleming]

If you look at the podium cars photo, you can see the pin mounts forward of the front azle.

[MSwiss]

I don't understand your post, Eddie.

 

I was waiting for Rob to add his insight on it.

[Eddie Fleming]

I don't understand your post, Eddie.

 

I was waiting for Rob to add his insight on it.

Looking at the photo of the three cars sitting on the track you can see the pin mounts in front of the front axle on that car. 

 

Expanding the photo to full size helps. 

 

I would like his insight as well. 

[Eddie Fleming]

Looking at the photo of the under side of that car it appears to only have mounts back at the motor and the ones in front of the front axle. Cool idea. 

[MSwiss]

I see it and know what it is.

 

I'm not trying to be a smart alec.

 

I posted a cropped picture in post 2 and explained what I'm 99% sure it is.

 

[Eddie Fleming]

In my post #3 I should have said looking at rather than "if you look at"

[MSwiss]

One last thing and I'll wait for Rob to comment. I know it's a front pin mount.

 

I'm curious what he thinks of the mod and how securely he has it soldered on.

[Dominator]

Since I have built a couple F1's now with the forward pin tube here is what I have discovered.  Also Jimmy Williams was the pioneer of this design.

 

First it help the car handle better and be smoother, at least on the higher speed tracks. I still use the traditional four-pin location but added the two forward of the axle. Not sure if it is as much an advantage on flatter style tracks but time will tell.  It also allows to some adjust-ability.  At Piranaha in April I ran the with the rear pins removed.   At PJ Raceway for Palooza I ran with all six body pins in place. 

 

Can it be measured on the clock?  Sometimes depending on the track conditions but more so in drive ability. 

 

[MSwiss]

Thanks, Dom. 

 

I was going to comment on this chassis when I saw it in a previous Modelville F1 race report but I must of got side tracked.

 

I never even noticed that the pin tubes were forward.

 

Just that the chassis looked unique. 

 

[Bridgehampton66]

Sorry, everyone.  Just seeing this.  Been hustlin'.

 

Yes, Mike, everyone: this is a front body mount,  with some motion in it.  Since it's not mounted with the

pans, needed a way to allow pans/body to move.  Therefore, a tube nested within a tube.

 

Yes, I first saw this on one of Jimmy's cars.  Another fine idea from The House of Williams .

 

More stable aero platform at the front, with less deflection.  And the body becomes a longer-lived item, b/c

it doesn't crack at the top of the front axle openings as readily.

 

While I would never court disaster by saying the method of attachment is plenty survivable, it could be.

 

Thank you Mike, and thank you all.

 

Rob Hayes, aka Pedro Podium

[Bill from NH]

Would SS tubing provide increased strength? Or a length of piano wire along the outside tube?

[John Luongo]

interesting idea. depending on the f-1 body style and mounting, i would expect that forward mount to add down force "weight" to the guide area without making the chassis heavier. well done!