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#51 tonyp

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 04:00 PM

On some of those really crappy tracks a lot of the big races seemed to be held on lead and more lead was a must to make it down the straightaway... Bob was one of the lead masters..

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 05:20 PM

He was a leader in lead huh? :laugh2:

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 05:36 PM

It's really special to have input from period Pros. Thank you gentlemen and thanks for all the comments from my fellow Bolgerís :) .

I have been rightly chastised by one for my use of orange tires on an inline car. All my blue rubber is so dried out that when I tried to stretch it over the rims it would split. Rodney clued me in on using a drum sander in a Dremel tool to open up the hole. The dried rubber grinds FAST and then it can be slipped over the wheel. Surprisingly, after you grind through the outer skin the rubber is pretty soft and fresh. So when I show pictures of the finished car it will have proper blue tires.

Onward to Mike Morrissey's 1966 R&C winning Team Russkit Lotus 40 :D .

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 05:45 PM

Onward to Mike Morrissey's 1966 R&C winning Team Russkit Lotus 40 .

I built at lest 10 copies of that car when I was a young fat little kid...

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 06:55 PM

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 07:33 PM

Please note that the rear wheels are 1/2" wide as I contended for years... shod with Tiny's Grays. :)
We have a nearly identical car at the museum but fitted with a Russkit Lola body. Rick, if you need i can picture it in detail but must warn you: the quality of construction is not up to your standards... Morrissey was a teenager then, and teenagewrs did not solder that well in 1967. ;)

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 07:54 PM

Hi Philippe,

Yes, 1966 R&C rules were 1/2" X 15/16" for rear tires. I'm going to build this as a shop car to run so I'm going to try some black Alpha Supernatural (firmer rubber) donuts on our repop Russkit 7/16" wide rear wheels.

Thanks for the offer of detailed pictures but I'm going to build this one like Tony did back in the day. Just look at the magazine article and go to town :D .

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 12:06 PM

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Ahhh....tires. Where I was racing the F1s were required to run black! Especially in 66 and 67 before the bodies got slammed.

What I have been doing is after running the cars, I pull and re-bottle the tires. After the last convention, I was in a rush with problems back home and forgot to get around to bottling the tires. AND they have all gone bad. I need to buy a new sheet of good black blanks!

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 12:59 PM

Rick, Thats the one...

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 01:39 PM

I built a couple of those...without a jig. Everything was higgilty-piggilty but they stayed in the slot! I think it was a couple of months before I could afford a proper body. :cray: :sarcastic_hand:
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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:07 PM

I'd like to see Rick build up a copy the way they were done back then. It would be an interesting challenge!


Only allowed tools:
Weller soldering gun
Paste flux
Pliers
Russkit adjusto-jig
Plastic calipers
Xacto knives and Zona saw
Side cutters
a couple of junky dull files
If you were rich a K&S tubing cutter!


No Dremel
No tumbler
No comet/toothbrush or Steelwool
No wire wheels
etc...

Let the games begin...

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:16 PM

Tony, that sounds like the tool list for my first scratchbuilt in 1967. It's the red Lancer Harvey Aluminum Spl. I use for an avatar. :laugh2: :laugh2:

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:23 PM

That's what we used... We were all like 16 years old at the time so dremels, and high bucks tools were out of the question.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 05:23 PM

I'd like to see Rick build up a copy the way they were done back then. It would be an interesting challenge!


Only allowed tools:
Weller soldering gun
Paste flux
Pliers
Russkit adjusto-jig
Plastic calipers
Xacto knives and Zona saw
Side cutters
a couple of junky dull files
If you were rich a K&S tubing cutter!


No Dremel
No tumbler
No comet/toothbrush or Steelwool
No wire wheels
etc...

Let the games begin...


:laugh2: Been there. Done that. :laugh2: Thanks, but no thanks ;) . I was 16 in 1966 and built cars with those tools. I still have the Weller soldering gun :blink: .

When I build today I put my mind back to the period but as the person I am now not as a 16 year old kid. All the tools I use today were available back in the 60's except for the few things I've had laser cut (homey don't Dremel spring steel :shok: :laugh2: )

Anyway that's what I'm doing for fun :)

Rocky, I'm with you. All my tires go back into their tubes and then into the fridge. My wife's not too happy about the fridge part :D .

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 05:31 PM

You should do one old school just for fun, to have one built the way someone would have back then and the same one built today with all todays tools, (yeah they may have been available but no one could afford them lol) I would find extremely interesting....


I'll challenge you o a spring steel cutting contest anytime. LOL... That is real scratch building!

If I don't catch you again up here have a Happy New Year!

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 05:47 PM

I'll challenge you o a spring steel cutting contest anytime. LOL... That is real scratch building!


I am but a grasshopper (laser powered) and will gladly concede to the real Master :friends:

Happy New Year to you too Tony :) .

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 07:53 PM

Only allowed tools:
Weller soldering gun
Paste flux
Pliers
Russkit adjusto-jig
Plastic calipers
Xacto knives and Zona saw
Side cutters
a couple of junky dull files
If you were rich a K&S tubing cutter!


No Dremel
No tumbler
No comet/toothbrush or Steelwool
No wire wheels
etc...

Let the games begin...


Big deal, that is how I build now! Except I think Comet and toothbrush ANYONE could afford and should learn to use.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 10:13 PM

My wife's not too happy about the fridge part :D .


Mine isn't either, but I keep my bag of tires in the old fridge down cellar. Rick, maybe your next retirement tool ought to be a camping size fridge for the workshop. :)

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 10:55 PM

I just donated my 1969 Weller gun, like new in its original box with all accessories except one of the tips, to the LASCM.

But I just DID exactly as Tony challenged Rick, meaning building a car just the way we did. I built this thingie for the kingee and I am told by his lackeys that he likes it...

And I agree with Rick. What a pain in the derriere it was! :laugh2:

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 01:58 AM

:D I recently found a great use for my original 60's Weller gun again---it's perfect for soldering the wires onto the TSR motors!!! I actually had a Dremel back then but thats about it. I used to have a workbench in my bedroom where I built chassis but I remember I worked on them at night so I would have to cut all the pieces in advance because my parents were trying to sleep in their bedroom right next to mine. I kept the music(WNEW--fm of course) down low too.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 05:25 AM

Yep, not only did I have a Dremel back in the 60s (ze big purchase!), but these actually date back to the 30s, so this is already pretty old school.... And there were Ungar irons in the 60s too (although I had a Weller gun like everybody else...).

I hope you got a good tax writeoff on your Weller donation Philippe!

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 08:52 AM

I donated my Weller gun to my dad after using it once in 1967. When he passed away a couple years ago, it was one of his tools I brought home. I don't think he ever used it in almost 40 yr. :)

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 11:00 AM

Phillipe that long front P4? Dynamic handling body is similar to the P4 airbrushed bodies that we could not ID.
In terms of painter? Mine is painted a sort of Burgandy and vignetted dark to light along the body. I bought it from a dealer who thought it was a JAD P4 becausre it came with a JAD box and a MRC 800 varicotroller. The chassis was a Dynamic one with GRC front tyres powered by a Mura Magnum 44 magnet motor (it looks like a 26D). Do you remember me descussing this body with you??
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Posted 31 December 2008 - 12:46 PM

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My good luck was that my dad was a "geek". He built our first TV in 1951 at Warren AFB out of USAF bits! So, the second I showed an interest in hand work, I had my own bench. AND I had a gun and an iron and a dremel. In the day, my peers said that you had to use side cutters because the dremel damaged the metal!

I didn't listen much.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 01:02 PM

Okay, let's give Rick back his thread we stole. (Myself included) Sorry Rick for getting off subject. ;)

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 01:04 PM

No worries, carry on gentlemen. I'm done with this car until I test it ;) .

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 01:16 PM

Rick its been a day, How much is done on the projectMike Morrissey's Lotus 40? LOL..

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 03:16 PM

It's coming along pretty well Tony:

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I guess I should start a new thread..............

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 03:52 PM

Very cool.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 10:30 PM

I can't believe that we ran those fragile piles then... :laugh2:

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 10:18 AM

Yea Philippe, the frame was pretty fragile but the "tank-shell" bodies with all the undercuts really protected the chassis.
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 10:48 AM

They might have been fragile but what elegance, what grace, what pleasure for the eye!
Certainly miles away from those heavy slabs of square brass that came later... you know, those with the motor positioned in a funny way (I ain't saying the A word no more since I atomized my tongue with sulphuric acid the last time I pronounced it)
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 02:12 PM

I can't believe that we ran those fragile piles then... :laugh2:


I guess one man's pile is another man's treasure :blink: .

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 02:45 PM

Those were good times! And there are enough new and old parts to recreate the very same cars, in race condition, today if a person just uses modern brush hoods on the Mabuchi endbells.

I've found the 3-rail frame to be a pretty good handling car, heavy (Pattos) body and all. It's just when using period magnets the braking is SO poor compared with modern magnets.
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 02:57 PM

I guess one man's pile is another man's treasure :blink: .

Rick,
We of course LOVE these "old piles". I am just amazed of how fragile they really were now that we are building nearly indestructible D3 wannabe racing machines... :)
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 08:10 AM

I look at the pictures and remember building cars like that with 1/16th tubing and we used to run them for awhile or until we wall blasted them. I am amazed they even went around the corners. It is all relative I guess...

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Posted 02 January 2009 - 11:21 AM

Hi

I never built them like that ! Always used pianowire or solid rod. Nothing like that would have survived a heat in the day with the people I was racing.

A friend of mine who was a married adult with a real job in the period likes to make that joke. His circle had a "private" club for "proper adult" racers, and I wasn't "good enough"...as in too fast.

There were a group of us........ Like the old rock line "young and fast as we could be".


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Posted 02 January 2009 - 03:36 PM

I always used un-coated brass brazing rod because it was a lot cheaper than K&S brass. Maybe the brazing rod was harder than regular brass but the only frame members I remember bending were the body mounts.
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Posted 16 February 2009 - 04:03 PM

What's this :unsure:

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It looks like the front half of a Dynamic 330 Ferrari roadster :unsure: Where's the back half :blink:

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It's stuffed into the back end of a Dynamic 330 Ferrari coupe :shok: . It fits like a glove and looks pretty good to me :) .

Finishing off this build is a beautiful paint job by Jairus Watson:

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The motor runs strong. The car handles nice and is fun to drive. It looks terrific with the Jairus touch. All in all this was a fun project.

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Posted 16 February 2009 - 05:41 PM

Hey, Rick !!

THAT'S the way to do easy motor detail !! ... VERY sharp looking!

Great job !!! ... Onward !!! :good:


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Posted 17 February 2009 - 10:28 PM

Thank you Jeff :) .

Time to move on and finish up another project..............

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Posted 14 July 2015 - 06:18 PM

I've been looking over the race report from the 1967 Arco race and I see the following results

 

Day 1 Grand Prix - Cukras

Day 2 ?? - Ursaner

Day 3 Stock Car - Pete von Ahrens

Day 4 Sports Car - Phil Inglis

 

Overall Bob Cozine

 

It's not clear, at least to me what race was run on Day 2 that Howie won?


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Posted 14 July 2015 - 10:02 PM

If i wanted to know, I'd probably PM Howie on here & ask. Cukras probably wouldn't remember & the other three men mentioned are dead. :to_become_senile:


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Posted 14 July 2015 - 10:40 PM

I'll do that if nobody here can answer.

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Posted 15 July 2015 - 12:34 AM

There is a great Car Model Multi Page article on this race posted earlier in this topicl.  I won the coupe race. and was tied in points with Cozine who had  not won a race.The final race was sports cars and i was TQ with a 2 minute run. This gave me an extra point to put me in the overall lead. When they called drivers to the race i saw a child put my car on the track and the car was walled and destroyed before i even plugged in my controller. All i had to do was finish 5th to win overall but they did not give me any time to fix the car so it was launching in the bank. That is how he won. Phil won the race.I would have most likely won . same car as the coupe , which was pretty unbeatable there.


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Posted 15 July 2015 - 12:52 AM

Howie,

I have the report but it was unclear what class you won except that it was on the second day. So sports car was basically open top prototype and you won coupe. Was there any other difference. Thanks for responding.

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Posted 15 July 2015 - 01:10 AM

Yes.
Sports car was just an open cockpit body, if not all, mostly Can-Am's, and the wheel bases mimicked GT Coupes, so the chassis were interchangeable.

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Posted 15 July 2015 - 01:23 AM

That's an amazing story. At least with slot cars you weren't killed in the accident. ;-)

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Posted 15 July 2015 - 01:54 AM

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Posted 15 July 2015 - 06:20 AM

Howies design was killer made many copies and was basically the hot east coast design until angle winders came in.

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