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#51 tonyp

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 04:00 PM

On some of those really crappy tracks a lot of the big races seemed to be held on lead and more lead was a must to make it down the straightaway... Bob was one of the lead masters..

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 05:20 PM

He was a leader in lead huh? :laugh2:

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 05:36 PM

It's really special to have input from period Pros. Thank you gentlemen and thanks for all the comments from my fellow Bolgerís :) .

I have been rightly chastised by one for my use of orange tires on an inline car. All my blue rubber is so dried out that when I tried to stretch it over the rims it would split. Rodney clued me in on using a drum sander in a Dremel tool to open up the hole. The dried rubber grinds FAST and then it can be slipped over the wheel. Surprisingly, after you grind through the outer skin the rubber is pretty soft and fresh. So when I show pictures of the finished car it will have proper blue tires.

Onward to Mike Morrissey's 1966 R&C winning Team Russkit Lotus 40 :D .

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 05:45 PM

Onward to Mike Morrissey's 1966 R&C winning Team Russkit Lotus 40 .

I built at lest 10 copies of that car when I was a young fat little kid...

"And if my thought-dreams could be seen they'd probably put my head in a guillotine. But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only." - Dylan

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 06:55 PM

:wub:

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 07:33 PM

Please note that the rear wheels are 1/2" wide as I contended for years... shod with Tiny's Grays. :)
We have a nearly identical car at the museum but fitted with a Russkit Lola body. Rick, if you need i can picture it in detail but must warn you: the quality of construction is not up to your standards... Morrissey was a teenager then, and teenagewrs did not solder that well in 1967. ;)

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 07:54 PM

Hi Philippe,

Yes, 1966 R&C rules were 1/2" X 15/16" for rear tires. I'm going to build this as a shop car to run so I'm going to try some black Alpha Supernatural (firmer rubber) donuts on our repop Russkit 7/16" wide rear wheels.

Thanks for the offer of detailed pictures but I'm going to build this one like Tony did back in the day. Just look at the magazine article and go to town :D .

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 12:06 PM

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Ahhh....tires. Where I was racing the F1s were required to run black! Especially in 66 and 67 before the bodies got slammed.

What I have been doing is after running the cars, I pull and re-bottle the tires. After the last convention, I was in a rush with problems back home and forgot to get around to bottling the tires. AND they have all gone bad. I need to buy a new sheet of good black blanks!

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 12:59 PM

Rick, Thats the one...

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 01:39 PM

I built a couple of those...without a jig. Everything was higgilty-piggilty but they stayed in the slot! I think it was a couple of months before I could afford a proper body. :cray: :sarcastic_hand:
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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:07 PM

I'd like to see Rick build up a copy the way they were done back then. It would be an interesting challenge!


Only allowed tools:
Weller soldering gun
Paste flux
Pliers
Russkit adjusto-jig
Plastic calipers
Xacto knives and Zona saw
Side cutters
a couple of junky dull files
If you were rich a K&S tubing cutter!


No Dremel
No tumbler
No comet/toothbrush or Steelwool
No wire wheels
etc...

Let the games begin...

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:16 PM

Tony, that sounds like the tool list for my first scratchbuilt in 1967. It's the red Lancer Harvey Aluminum Spl. I use for an avatar. :laugh2: :laugh2:

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:23 PM

That's what we used... We were all like 16 years old at the time so dremels, and high bucks tools were out of the question.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 05:23 PM

I'd like to see Rick build up a copy the way they were done back then. It would be an interesting challenge!


Only allowed tools:
Weller soldering gun
Paste flux
Pliers
Russkit adjusto-jig
Plastic calipers
Xacto knives and Zona saw
Side cutters
a couple of junky dull files
If you were rich a K&S tubing cutter!


No Dremel
No tumbler
No comet/toothbrush or Steelwool
No wire wheels
etc...

Let the games begin...


:laugh2: Been there. Done that. :laugh2: Thanks, but no thanks ;) . I was 16 in 1966 and built cars with those tools. I still have the Weller soldering gun :blink: .

When I build today I put my mind back to the period but as the person I am now not as a 16 year old kid. All the tools I use today were available back in the 60's except for the few things I've had laser cut (homey don't Dremel spring steel :shok: :laugh2: )

Anyway that's what I'm doing for fun :)

Rocky, I'm with you. All my tires go back into their tubes and then into the fridge. My wife's not too happy about the fridge part :D .

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 05:31 PM

You should do one old school just for fun, to have one built the way someone would have back then and the same one built today with all todays tools, (yeah they may have been available but no one could afford them lol) I would find extremely interesting....


I'll challenge you o a spring steel cutting contest anytime. LOL... That is real scratch building!

If I don't catch you again up here have a Happy New Year!

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 05:47 PM

I'll challenge you o a spring steel cutting contest anytime. LOL... That is real scratch building!


I am but a grasshopper (laser powered) and will gladly concede to the real Master :friends:

Happy New Year to you too Tony :) .

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 07:53 PM

Only allowed tools:
Weller soldering gun
Paste flux
Pliers
Russkit adjusto-jig
Plastic calipers
Xacto knives and Zona saw
Side cutters
a couple of junky dull files
If you were rich a K&S tubing cutter!


No Dremel
No tumbler
No comet/toothbrush or Steelwool
No wire wheels
etc...

Let the games begin...


Big deal, that is how I build now! Except I think Comet and toothbrush ANYONE could afford and should learn to use.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 10:13 PM

My wife's not too happy about the fridge part :D .


Mine isn't either, but I keep my bag of tires in the old fridge down cellar. Rick, maybe your next retirement tool ought to be a camping size fridge for the workshop. :)

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 10:55 PM

I just donated my 1969 Weller gun, like new in its original box with all accessories except one of the tips, to the LASCM.

But I just DID exactly as Tony challenged Rick, meaning building a car just the way we did. I built this thingie for the kingee and I am told by his lackeys that he likes it...

And I agree with Rick. What a pain in the derriere it was! :laugh2:

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 01:58 AM

:D I recently found a great use for my original 60's Weller gun again---it's perfect for soldering the wires onto the TSR motors!!! I actually had a Dremel back then but thats about it. I used to have a workbench in my bedroom where I built chassis but I remember I worked on them at night so I would have to cut all the pieces in advance because my parents were trying to sleep in their bedroom right next to mine. I kept the music(WNEW--fm of course) down low too.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 05:25 AM

Yep, not only did I have a Dremel back in the 60s (ze big purchase!), but these actually date back to the 30s, so this is already pretty old school.... And there were Ungar irons in the 60s too (although I had a Weller gun like everybody else...).

I hope you got a good tax writeoff on your Weller donation Philippe!

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 08:52 AM

I donated my Weller gun to my dad after using it once in 1967. When he passed away a couple years ago, it was one of his tools I brought home. I don't think he ever used it in almost 40 yr. :)

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 11:00 AM

Phillipe that long front P4? Dynamic handling body is similar to the P4 airbrushed bodies that we could not ID.
In terms of painter? Mine is painted a sort of Burgandy and vignetted dark to light along the body. I bought it from a dealer who thought it was a JAD P4 becausre it came with a JAD box and a MRC 800 varicotroller. The chassis was a Dynamic one with GRC front tyres powered by a Mura Magnum 44 magnet motor (it looks like a 26D). Do you remember me descussing this body with you??
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Posted 31 December 2008 - 12:46 PM

Hi

My good luck was that my dad was a "geek". He built our first TV in 1951 at Warren AFB out of USAF bits! So, the second I showed an interest in hand work, I had my own bench. AND I had a gun and an iron and a dremel. In the day, my peers said that you had to use side cutters because the dremel damaged the metal!

I didn't listen much.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 01:02 PM

Okay, let's give Rick back his thread we stole. (Myself included) Sorry Rick for getting off subject. ;)

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