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#1 Edo

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 05:53 AM

Hi Experts
here one that I don't know at all, it's called Elfin (or so it said on the box when Ezio Scisco bought it, the chassis was in bad condition and was restored:

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Dokk, Don, guys any info on this one? Motor is a Champion 5001, that,I know, it has a sticker on it :).
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 06:25 AM

Edo,
Fraid I can't help you on this one. Elfin is a real manufacturer, in Australia, but in a quick search I didn't see anything that looked like this car, which does seem to resemble a factory painted thingie - but I just don't know!

The chassis looks very nice, but nothing that I recognize either.

Anybody else? Any of our Aussie friends recognize the body style?

Don

PS: from somewhere deep in the recesses of my brain, I seem to remember that Russkit made an Elfin body in their handling and/or superlight series - but not sure this is it!

Edo, where was it identified as an Elfin again, on the box?

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 12:46 PM

PS: from somewhere deep in the recesses of my brain, I seem to remember that Russkit made an Elfin body in their handling and/or superlight series...


That´s true! And what is the "roof" on the car has to be cut out (normally ;-)) Elfin is indeed a real manufacturer (as the "Monza" from the Thingie Proxy is a real car - a Chevy Monza GT!)

Both cars still compliment the thingie race field...

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 02:14 PM

:lol: :!: :lol: 8)

Edo, this is no thingie but simply a Can-Am car in which the top of the windshield was not cut off. The body is by Lancer and the car (an Elfin powered by a 3.5-liter Repco-Oldsmobile engine) was run in Australia in 1967.
The Champion 5001 motor is a standard Mabuchi FT16DBB with one vent hole blocked for marketing reasons (if one believes that it had any influence on the magnetic field, :lol: :lol: :lol:
The chassis is more interesting however, I have never seen this one. If it is more than likely a hand-built job with nickel plating, it COULD be a small-production Euro chassis from the period that I have not run across yet. Both front and rear wheels are also probably of European origin. I would bet on something Swiss. The guide APPEARS to be a Cox "quick-change" but there were copies in Switzerland and Italy by Mini-Dream and Monza.
The car as a whole appears to be just an assembly of parts but is done extremely nicely. The stickers on the body make one wonder if this is not an attempt to a little forgery, trying to make someone believe that the sum of the parts amounts to more that what they are.
By any means a nice looking slot car.

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 02:39 PM

The stickers on the body make one wonder if this is not an attempt to a little forgery, trying to make someone believe that the sum of the parts amounts to more that what they are.

Thanks Dokk
but the sticker is just Ezio Scisco'signature he posts on models he has put togheter.
Nothing shady here. I can vouch for him: he comes as pure as they come and he does not need any make believe.
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 05:14 PM

8) 8) :smokin: :smokin: COOLEST Thingie Chassis I've seen on here yet!!! Nickel Plating is a pain in the butt to do but it adds weight and actually makes the thing a bit stiffer as well as looking the BOMB!!
I think the body looks cool too just as it is. Ezio has some REALLY cool stuff!!
Edo...take lots of pix at the proxy!!
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 05:32 PM

Edo...take lots of pix at the proxy!!


You bet Tom!
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 06:15 PM

[quote="TSRF24"]:lol: :!: :lol: 8)

Edo, this is no thingie but simply a Can-Am car in which the top of the windshield was not cut off.

Doggone, this guy knows his cars! I would have never noticed that! 8)

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 07:29 AM

"Edo, this is no thingie but simply a Can-Am car in which the top of the windshield was not cut off."

Dokk, that just goes to show you the kind of freedom we enjoy in communist Europe, not to speak about all the poetic licence we can take ;)

"Doggone, this guy knows his cars! I would have never noticed that! "

Gary, it is quite true that our Fierce Evil Leader knows his stuff but to me he's very bourgeois when it comes to Thingies :lol:
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 05:39 PM

I have no idea what this car is, but its body doesn't look anything like the Russkit Elfin John Gorski sold on ebay to the "beach boy" for big bucks. :)

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Posted 02 March 2006 - 06:09 PM

Hi Bill, I saw that Elfin too...the one with bubble formed over the guide post! That was the newer Dynamic Elfin which was a neat wedge shaped job. I could use a couple of those right about now. :)
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 11:26 PM

Bob is that a Dynamic body? Gorski called it a Russkit but you could have fooled me. :) Tom Andersen makes repops of the 1966 & 68 Elfins in .020 PETG. They too don't look anything like this blue one.

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 03:25 PM

Dynamic neve made an Elfin.

I have no idea what this car is, but its body doesn't look anything like the Russkit Elfin John Gorski sold on ebay to the "beach boy" for big bucks

Bill, Lancer made that one. The one you have seen is by Russkit.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 04:39 PM

Ah-ha...shoulda known it was a Lancer! It was an ultra-low wedgie that was nice handling and good to look at too. 8)

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 08:51 PM

Tom Andersen repops the '68 Lancer Elfin but it doesn't look anything like this blue one. So exactly what year Elfin is this blue one? :)

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 05:06 PM

1967. It was raced strictly in Australia with a Repco-Olds engine.
Elfin made LOTS of different cars... :)

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 04:47 PM

Apparently back in 2006 they didn't really answer King Edo's question! I too brought up a thread and once again NO ONE nailed it!

 

Recently, a famous body maker also asked this question as he found a clear one (in cloudy shape) and NO one still knows.

 

PdL is wrong it is NOTa Lancer and it os also NOT a Russkit!

 

I believe Dave Lenz raced one as well and he often raced thingies!

 

 

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 10:42 AM

https://www.racingsp...make/Elfin.html

 

Maybe T 300 4 cyl >2 litre


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 06:26 PM

Hey, Hi guys,... as an 'Aussie', that was seriously interested in Motor racing from / In that 'Era' and who was also a Serious Fan of CanAm style cars and Elfin's and those that drove them, especially Gary Cooper, Frank Matich and Niel Allen etc and with the Greatest of respect to Phillipe, that is NOT "Merely a CanAm style car as raced in Australia in 1967" !! as None of them Ever had a 'Nose' on the Bodywork like that !!

 

I would Have to agree and suggest it IS 'Styled' on an Elfin, but is Most Definitely (Correctly 'Defined' by the term), a 'Thingie' as such.

 

It would appear to be Styled along the lines (as also suggested above), from the 300 / 350 /400 series of Elfin Group 7 cars of that Era, but (Unless I am Very Much mistaken and there IS a Weird 'Variation' modified and raced by Someone, somewhere in the World), No Elfin Ever had a Front End shaped like the body in question that I am aware of.. :) I can Only suggest it is a Bit of a 'Thingie-ized' Mash-Up of Various Elfin designs of that era, Including aspects of the Earlier 'Mallala' model and would have to agree that the 'roof' ??, is reaaly just the Normally 'Open' cockpit, simply Not Cut-Out but even there, the Windscreen itself could also be described as merely 'Styled' on the Elfin units of that era.

 

Elfin and their Original designer Gary Cooper, have a Rich and very successful Heritage, especially in Australia, with some Exceptionally successful Open Wheel Formula cars (Formula Ford, F2 and especially F5000 !!), apart from his Many Clubman and Group 7 cars.

 

There are Plenty of Images available via Google; https://www.google.c...C3IQsAR6BAgJEAE

 

Along with the 'Official' Elfin Heritage site here; http://www.elfinheri...m.au/index.html

 

There is also a Nice 'Scale' copy of the Elfin 350/400 variant that I think Phillipe was referring to still available in Australia and in fact I built one up for Our Historic Plafit racing a few years ago (but Never finished it in the manner I had wanted to) :)

 

I don't have the Pic 'Hosted' anywhere, but can be seen in this forum 'Post'

http://forum.ascra.c....php?f=17&t=703

N.B. Scroll to just below the text for the Image

 

Modelled on This Car which can be seen here; http://www.my105.com.../20804/latest/1

 

This particular car had a very Rich History, originally raced by Frank Matich (prior to him building his Own Elfin inspired Variant the SR3) and was originally powered by a TRACO Oldsmobile.

Sadly, since being restored in the Manner above, it has Had a 'Troubled' life, due to factions of the local Historic racing fraternity getting their collective Whatevers all in a Knot over various 'Aspects' of it's Current Spec' and in effect Disallowing it to be raced correctly within the class the previous owner had restored it to race locally in. Something to do with Wheel Arch 'Vents' and Engine / gearbox units etc,.. which one can imagine was Immensely frustrating for the person who restored it let alone the Historic racing fans who never got to see it run competitively again, which may be the reason for it being available for sale.

 

Anyway,.. I hope my Info' helps with regard to the Real Car the 'Thingie' was/is Based on :)

Cheers, :)


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 08:07 PM

Stoo, glad to see you're still around. :)


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 08:37 PM

:) :) Hey Bill,.. Yes,still around and actually 'prepping' my Retro cars for this Years "Geoghegan" Trophy race this evening at My childhood Local raceway "Waitara" (Opened in late '65 / early '66, Now Hornsby Slot Cars), still there after All these years !!,.. :)


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 10:36 PM

Stoo, are any of the Aussie retro races still being covered by any of the Aussie slot car boards? I recall seeing reports & photos 5 or 6 years ago, but nothing recently. I could be looking in the wrong spots.


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Posted 25 May 2019 - 02:37 AM

Bill there are still happening: http://forum.ascra.c...ewforum.php?f=5

 

Good luck tonight Stoo!!







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