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[Dooner]

I had an old Falcon II which bit the bullet, and I wondered...What's in a Falcon II?













Now I know.

[Bill from NH]

The Falcon IIs were motors mistakenly advance timed in the wrong direction. That's one of the reasons why some are still available. The JK steel chassis had to be built upside down in order to use the Falcon IIs. They never did fit a flexi.

[MantaRay]

Here is a pic of what I believe to be a Falcon II.

[MSwiss]

The ones I have at the shop look the same. This pic shows the CCW rotation.
Both I tested seem to rev a bit better in that direction.

[Bill from NH]

I checked the packaging on my "JK" & "JKI" motors. All indicate, "Falcon Motor, Part# JK 3020." I guess that could lead someone to call them whatever they pleased. The JK website has Falcon 2s with reverse timing, which neither version I have has. So I ordered a couple of them to see what I get. I'm expecting they'll be exactly like those Mike and Ray showed in photos.

Tom, since you started all this, can you still read the version markings on the Falcon you cut open? If not, how did you know it was a Falcon 2?

[Dooner]

Tom, since you started all this, can you still read the version markings on the Falcon you cut open? If not, how did you know it was a Falcon 2?

Bill,

The other night, I was getting bored and decided to cut up an old Falcon motor that I had since 1993 when I was still living in PA. This motor was used in an old retired rental wing car of all things. I was curious to see what kind of brushes it had, since the motor had already pooped out. I figured it was a Falcon II, because it was so old. I forgot there was a Falcon I. There are no factory markings I can make out. As you can see on the pic it is quite rough.

I find all of the comments quite amusing and educational. I was just having a little fun. I had no intention or idea that my thread would unearth such a can of worms. But now that it has, I would like to know a little history of this motor.

[TSR]

The other night, I was getting bored and decided to cut up an old Falcon motor that I had since 1993

Tom, the very first Falcon motor was produced in 2002, so your motor cannot be a Falcon and is more than likely a Mabuchi, sold by Plafit under the name Fox or Cheetah.
The first Falcon was a Cheetah clone.

This thread has been cleaned from all irrelevant chatter. Apologies to the ones with good intentions.

Anyone wishing to discuss the various characteristics of the Falcon 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and/or the TSR motors and their various characteristics are invited to discuss it in this thread, thank you.

If you wish to post in this thread, please keep it relevant to the subject at hand, thank you.

[NJ Racer]

So Tom what do you really know? You cut a motor in half very impressive. So what did you find so illuminating?

[redbackspyder]

He found that a little knowledge goes a long way .

[Dooner]

As Sargent Schults says..."I know nothing...nothing". .

Seriously though, Philippe is correct. My motor is probably A Cheetah or a Fox. I knew it was named after some kind of creature.

I just wanted to see how large the brushes were, and how they were mounted inside the can. My intention was not to disrupt the Jail-Door class.

But I think this thread did resolve an issue concerning the difference between the Falcon I and Falcon II. It may make the racing closer, but as some have noted, they are cheapo motors and there will be differences in performance even between the same type of motor. I believe still that those who spend more time in preparing their cars, and the better drivers will still fare better in the races.

I would like to give kudos to Philippe for manning up and admitting that he made a mistake, at the risk of becoming a target of much abuse. If he was interested in a conspiracy, why would he have suggested that a competitor's brand also be deemed legal also?

[TSR]

I would like to give kudos to Philippe for manning up and admitting that he made a mistake, at the risk of becoming a target of much abuse. If he was interested in a conspiracy, why would he have suggested that a competitor's brand also be deemed legal also?

Thanks Tom for getting it, unlike some here.
A few malcontents out there in our parts are simply trying to make everybody else life as miserable as theirs, while accusing others of conspiracy to profit... now that's a laugh!
They simply will not succeed, and on top of that, they still can't drive their way out of a paper bag on a slot car track, and that's God's truth.
Does not hurt to try, but others in the same situation are more appreciative of what has been offered to them so that while some work at it, they can PLAY.

"Jalousie est un vilain defaut"

[havlicek]

...and Madone est juste laide

-john