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#1 Jaak

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 01:16 PM

I came across this car on SlotForum. A good friend of mine received it from his brother.

I am very curious what it is... can anyone help? :unsure:

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Thanks in advance.

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 02:32 PM

It is a five-cylinder Ferrazati with bicycle wheels.

Can we see more of it, like of the bottom please? :)
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Posted 12 May 2009 - 02:39 PM

Way to go, Jaak!!

It's too early to tell if you've stumped the master, but at least you're making him have to work to ID it. :laugh2:

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 02:45 PM

It is a five-cylinder Ferrazati with bicycle wheels.

One too many martoonis there, Dokk??? :laugh2: :laugh2:
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Posted 12 May 2009 - 02:54 PM

LOL! :D

Philippe,

I will bug the owner to see if he can make a picture of the bottom of the car.

Cheater,

I have been searching for months to find something that could out-do 'he who knows so much'. :laugh2:
Might have found the holy grail... :rolleyes:

Thanks for the replies, guys. ;)

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 03:16 PM

I am not sure it is even a slot car. Metal wheels and hard plastic tires? Maybe it's the picture, but the rear tire does not look like it is touching the track.
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Posted 12 May 2009 - 03:20 PM

I am with Tom on this... I think it is a rubber or plastic toy! ;)

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 05:14 AM

Slot car.

Speed Master.

Hong Kong.

Rubbers tires are lost!
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 06:16 AM

Hi Jose,

Thanks for that. :) Would you happen to know around what year it has been produced?

Sorry, Tom... it is :blum:

Jairus,

If I only look at your description you are right... (kinda). :unsure:

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 07:04 AM

Entschuldigung Jaak, wirklich habe ich diesen Rennwagen auf meine Hšnde nichts.
Ich weiss was ist, weil ich in der Web-Seite von Bernard gesehen habe.
Das sieht wie '60s Jahre alt aus, aber das ist nur mein Vermutung!

Eigentlich finde ich ist ein tolles komisches Auto!

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I don't know... '60s ? Really I've only seen it on Bernard's page.
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 08:50 AM

Slot car.

Speed Master.

Hong Kong.

Rubbers tires are lost!

There you go! :)

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 09:46 AM

Do you think this means you are off the hook? :scratch_one-s_head:
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 10:00 AM

Joe,

There were tons of toy manufacturers that made such crummy stuff.
These (mostly) crummy toys were the lowest common-denominator junk made in Hong Kong, some were made in Europe, some in South America. And of course there were the basic Strombecker, Scalextric, Eldon...

All of these cheap toys had the same purpose: get a foothold in the market with the lowest possible retail price, so as to sell in large volume as toys for post-toddlers, purchased by parents with little respect for their children. The net result of course is that they were trashed and now are non-biodegradable landfill all over the planet. Just like Pintos and Vegas, if you follow my meaning.

I voluntarily chose to simply ignore them and concentrate my energy and time on the best of brilliant and attractive American slot cars of the 1960s and their direct inspirations made in Japan, Italy, Switzerland, and Germany.

I am not one to be awed by the mediocrity of their creators, when there are truly great toys, designed by passionate and talented people, to admire and respect.
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 10:20 AM

All of these cheap toys had the same purpose: get a foothold in the market with the lowest possible retail price, so as to sell in large volume as toys for post-toddlers, purchased by parents with little respect for their children. The net result of course is that they were thrashed and now are non-biodegradable landfill all over the planet. Just like Pintos and Vegas, if you follow my meaning.

But most of the Pintos and Vegas were turned into Drag Race cars that burn fossil fuel and pollute the environment.
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"If everything feels under control... you are not going fast enough!"

Some people are like Slinkies... they're really good for nothing... but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 10:26 AM

Well said, Philippe! I now read your posts and "hear" your avatar's voice, and yes, I usually laugh.

Can I use that line "I am not one to be awed by the mediocrity of their creators"? That's lyrical!
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 10:27 AM

Only their base shells are being used for such purposes, because I am pretty sure that not too many Vega drag-racing cars use their original four-barrel silicon-aluminum blocks! :laugh2:

The Pinto engine was another piece of awful engineering... but saw racing use once re-engineered for such purpose.
One can do the same for ill-handling old slot cars. A bit of re-design by the true enthusiast can turn a worthless ride into something that satisfies the need.

But the crummy toys themselves remain... crummy toys. ;)

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 11:27 AM

Entschuldigung Jaak, wirklich habe ich diesen Rennwagen auf meine Hšnde nichts.
Ich weiss was ist, weil ich in der Web-Seite von Bernard gesehen habe.
Das sieht wie '60s Jahre alt aus, aber das ist nur mein Vermutung!

Eigentlich finde ich ist ein tolles komisches Auto !.

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I don't know... '60s ? Really I've only seen it on Bernard's page.

Danke,

Das ist kein Problem ;)

Thank you,

That is no problem ;)

I am glad to know what period it has kinda made..

Joe,

There were tons of toy manufacturers that made such crummy stuff.
These (mostly) crummy toys were the lowest common-denominator junk made in Hong Kong, some were made in Europe, some in South America
.
And of course there were the basic Strombecker, Scalextric, Eldon...

All of these cheap toys had the same purpose: get a foothold in the market with the lowest possible retail price, so as to sell in large volume as toys for post-toddlers, purchased by parents with little respect for their children. The net result of course is that they were trashed and now are non-biodegradable landfill all over the planet. Just like Pintos and Vegas, if you follow my meaning.

I voluntarily chose to simply ignore them and concentrate my energy and time on the best of brilliant and attractive American slot cars of the 1960s and their direct inspirations made in Japan, Italy, Switzerland, and Germany.

I am not one to be awed by the mediocrity of their creators, when there are truly great toys, designed by passionate and talented people, to admire and respect.

Hey Phillippe,

It's not like you're patriotic or anything, is it? :blink:
All scrummy toys come from anywhere but North America.
And anything build in Europe is a copy-replica-inspiration from America. :rolleyes:

Not sure it completely went down like that. :)

Anyways they do make a part of the history and this one being around 40 to 50 years old ain't all that bad,
and i think should be preserved, i also think it has character.

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 05:24 PM

Dokk,
I used to rebuild Rack and Pinions all day long. The best one ever made was an early "Iron Maiden" Pinto rack and pinion steering unit. I can't vouch for the rest of the car. :)
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Posted 14 May 2009 - 07:03 PM

slot car snobs end up like this:

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 07:31 PM

MadMax,
Personal experience? :)


It's not like you're patriotic or anything, is it? :blink:
All scrummy toys come from anywhere but North America.
And anything build in Europe is a copy-replica-inspiration from America. :rolleyes:

Not sure it completely went down like that. :)

Jaak, please read my post again: I clearly point out American companies that made crummy stuff: Strombecker, Eldon, Ungar, and there are others. You will read in my new book that I give no quarters. The good is glorified, the bad vilified, but the reasons are clearly given.
I also mention that most of the very good European slot cars were American inspired, because... they were. While MRRC, Scalextric, Victory Industries etc. started the hobby commercially in the UK, their product were wonderful when there was nothing else but as soon as the US companies tackled the hobby, were seen as what they really are, cheap and generally poorly designed toys. Strombecker early issues were also rather poor, but in 1966 they made (for a SINGLE year) some of the most beautiful slot cars kits ever made. The Euro copies of Scalextric were just like Scalextric, generally rather poor. Of course they also need preserving and dxocumenting, but others have been doing that so I really need not bother. Gilliam is the Scalextric guy, good for him, the ONLY scalextric cars you will see in my book will be the tinplate jobs, the beautiful 1968 1/24 scale models and the Bugatti. The rest, you can have them.

Please do not make a mistake: I DO call it as I see it, but I also DO give credit where it is due. This no-compromise position also makes some people hating my guts and generates comments such as that of MadMax because I believe that he does not know any better, but it also gains me the respect of the serious collectors, the top-notch racers, the large auction houses that use my expert advice for expensive transactions, and of all the friends I have made along the way, a TON of them. I earn my keep by, at 66 years old, still competing in serious slot car racing and more than holding my own, building inventive machinery that is being discussed here while providing as much information as anyone has ever done about the history of out hobby, while learning from others at the same time.

I never criticize anything gratuitously, for the sake of criticizing. I also explains why, and what is a better alternative. Not all slot cars are born equal and all reflect the genius or mediocrity of their engineers.

I used to rebuild Rack and Pinions all day long. The best one ever made was an early "Iron Maiden" Pinto rack and pinion steering unit. I can't vouch for the rest of the car. :)

Indeed they were excellent and used on lots of racing cars... so not everything was wrong from the parts bins. :)
But the car itself was a serious piece of cr*p... especially compared with period autos of the same size and displacement coming by the boatload from Japan and Germany.
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Posted 14 May 2009 - 07:57 PM

The Pinto engine was another piece of awful engineering... but saw racing use once re-engineered for such purpose.
One can do the same for ill-handling old slot cars. A bit of re-design by the true enthusiast can turn a worthless ride into something that satisfies the need.



I don't know about that awful engineering viewpoint. :angry: The 2L then the 2.3 wasn't a bad piece from the start. My friend has a nice Eslinger / Weber DCOE equiped 2.3 that routinely redlines at 9500 rpm in his Mustang. Unfortunately, he now working on a Volvo B234 headed, Megasquirt injected, turbo'd 2.3 similar to this

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 08:19 PM

True, the engine could be made to go well once re-engineered, but the stock version was under-powered and sluggish, and VERY noisy... :)

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 08:05 AM

PDL wrote: But the crummy toys themselves remain... crummy toys.

Phillippe,

Just because a small group of "collectors" or "elitists" think way that does not make it the truth. The original question posted related to who made the slot car and identifying it. No need to add comments about crummy this and running down anything. The fact someone took the time to ask people what this item was should be ego booster enough. Maybe that item meant a lot to the person and he felt good about his purchase or his collectible. Whether the item was worth a lot of money, high tech design or not is not the question nor does it deserve being tagged as crummy....

If the questions was "Evaluate this slot car" then a critique would be a proper response. Maybe next time if you knew who made the item and responded to who made the car and left out the personal opinion it might cause less controversy? Just a thought........Something you might consider next time? :laugh2: :laugh2: :shok: :shok:

I think because I do know better...... :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :shok: :shok:

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 09:00 AM

I found this on the web. This may help us all get along better with Philippe: ;)


The secret of dealing with the know it all

Being a 'know-it-all' is a form of bullying even if that is not the intention.

The know-it-all has an opinion on everything regardless of whether they actually know anything about the subject or not. You know the type: something is self-evidently true purely because they happen to think it.

Know-it-alls are bombastic, opinionated and bad at listening.

What the know-it-all lacks is the humility to say: "I do not know enough about this to form a proper opinion", or "You may be right because you have more experience in this area than I do".

Set on transmit not receive

Know-it-alls are on set on 'transmit' most of the time. They are not up for receiving input from others. They want to be the ones giving out, transmitting their pearls of 'wisdom'.

What they don't know isn't worth knowing and when they do learn something wellÖ according to them, they knew it already.

The know-it-all may be a highly intelligent person but their know-it-all attitude makes them narrow minded and less and less able to learn as the years roll by.

Putting you down without meaning to?

The obvious solution seems to be to avoid the know it all as they have a great way of putting other people down by implication. In other words if they know everything then you know nothing. Or anything you do know you know because of them. That's the way they can make you feel.

Bad for self-esteem

The know-it-all can damage your self-esteem because there is something compelling about certainty. The trouble is they can feel hard to deal with especially if they happen to be your boss or the person you live with.

Being a know-it-all is a form of greed. Wanting to take all credit and direct all things at all times regardless of other people is like someone grabbing all the food at the table.

The know-it-all may take on board other peoples' ideas but then claim them as their own or say that 'everyone knew that any way.' They are in fact greedy over ownership of knowledge.

Remember it's not down to you to change the know-it-all, just to deal with them in ways which are more constructive and cause less conflict. You need to be able to remain calm and objective and remember that they do not know everything and that you, yourself, can contribute.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 09:49 AM

Welcome to my sandbox. We only use the elitist-selected finest sand. :)

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 05:44 AM

Hi Phillip,

Please make no mistake in my intentions etc,
I do have a huge amount of respect for you as racer as collector and walking encyclopedia of slot cars :)
And i am looking forward to your book,
i had a look at sourcing your old one but have not seen it below 200$ which at the moment i can not afford.

I have no issue with the way you reply to posts, i have been coming here longer then this week to see who how and what,
but sometimes i do like to give a nudge back, and point some things out and not sit and stare :D
About the Strombecker and Eldon i actualy thought they where German companies...shows how much i know. :rolleyes:
I only have been on the scene for a couple of active years and i am trying to increase my knowledge of all slot car brands and history.

I have no hard feelings towards you at all, on the contrary i only have respect. ;)

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 03:52 AM

And i am looking forward to your book,
i had a look at sourcing your old one but have not seen it below 200$ which at the moment i can not afford.


Pardon the necro-posting, but if Jaak is still looking for the Vintage Slot Cars book, There's a used copy on eBay for less than $50.00 now. I haven't looked elsewhere, so don't know if that's the current price.
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[ "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness." . . . . . . . . . . . Dave Barry ]
[ "Build what you like to build, they are all doomed." . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Prof. Fate ]
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 06:45 AM

Thank you my friend, I have since then been helped with a copy so I am good  :good:


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Posted 28 June 2015 - 07:14 AM

I found one on ebay for a very reasonable sum. Hoping to have Phillipe sign it along with his new one when it is published. Hope his sparse appearances here lately are due to his dedicating all his free time to finishing the book.  


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Posted 28 June 2015 - 03:51 PM

I hear the antique has been racing antique motorcycles in Europe. :sun_bespectacled:


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