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#1 Pablo

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Posted 14 September 2009 - 03:34 PM

Finished September 2009:

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Here's where it all started:

Parts prep:
All parts on this car will be brand new.
First step: motor break-in.
Brand new IRRA-legal sealed Pro Slot 4002B comes out of the package.
A dot of oil on both ends of the shaft, then connected to the power supply. 3 Volts for 15 minutes, very cool and smooth.

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Parts gathering:
Koford axle and M235 ball bearings
Red Fox flag
JK factory wheels and tires front and rear
TQ flag clips
7/27 gears

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Posted 14 September 2009 - 04:31 PM

Pablo emailed asking me to start a new thread for his build, unfortunately a little thing called work got in my way of starting it :angry:

All proceeds will go to St. Jude Childrens Hospital and information about obtaining raffle tickets can be obtained HERE . Winner need not be present to win.

Chassis kit has been sent to Pablo. Assuming his mail service is better than mine, he should receive them tomorrow or the next day at the latest?

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 04:58 PM

I got it, no problemo ;)

Now where is that doggone minitorch ? :laugh2:
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Posted 15 September 2009 - 05:23 PM

So when are we going to start seeing the build?
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Posted 15 September 2009 - 05:32 PM

C'mon, everybody knows I build slow.

I start seven days work tomorrow. Then seven days off.

If you want this thing done in a day, I'm the wrong guy. :o
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Posted 15 September 2009 - 05:41 PM

I know, slow but meticulous. Whoever wins this chassis will have a very well built chassis and car. :)

BTW: Just having a little fun with you :laugh2:
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Posted 15 September 2009 - 06:01 PM

Having fun with me, eh ? :acute: :bb: :beee:
I knew you were just doing your Mike Patterson imitation. :laugh2:
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Posted 15 September 2009 - 06:04 PM

Pablo...

How are the dogs? Can't wait to see the build.
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Posted 15 September 2009 - 08:12 PM

Pablo, don't let them bug ya. The body for that car may take longer. :laugh2:

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 08:27 PM

Haha, yeah, Joe...

I think the mechanic has it much easier than an artist...
Engineering is measurable, observable, and correctable.
As an artist, you must always be wondering, does this look right, or not?
The only yardstick the artist has is the public opinion, which can be fickle.
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Posted 16 September 2009 - 09:14 AM

I knew you were just doing your Mike Patterson imitation.

What am I getting blamed for now?

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 11:53 AM

The only yardstick the artist has is the public opinion, which can be fickle.

Boy, you got that right... :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 09:52 AM

This is only to show the workmanship for the raffle.

I strengthened the JK hypoid motor bracket. It doesn't really need it, but it makes me feel good.

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The chassis pieces supplied were very precise. Ten minutes of filing and sanding, and they are ready to go.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:06 AM

Looks good, Pablo. Nice job of strengthening the motor mounting face.

Just think I knew you back when you didn't know which end of a soldering iron to use. I do know you figured it out rather quickly, though. Have the scars faded yet? :rofl:

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:25 AM

Looks like some of Pablo's mini-torch work. :laugh2:
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:29 AM

That thin bead of solder between the bracket and the 7/32" tube is a thing of beauty. :)

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:59 AM

Yes, it is and definitely was done with the mini-torch.

I gotta pay Pablo a compliment. When we first met a few years ago, Pablo didn't have much soldering and scratchbuilding experience and as is my wont, I mentored him as much as I could (I didn't have much choice, as he wore my butt out with questions! LOL!). He listened well, worked really hard to improve his skills, and asked very penetrating questions. Out of all the guys I've assisted, Pablo has progressed the fastest and now he's a hell of a builder. It was fun for me to be able to help someone who was so focused on learning and improving.

If only he didn't look so much like Uncle Fester... :laugh2:

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 03:38 PM

Hi Ray! Hi Mike! :D

Good to know someone is watching.

One thing people may not know is, the dimensions on the JK hypoid bracket are so precise, I don't even need jig wheels.
The tube fits perfect and is in exactly the right position to allow the motor to sit level. The rear of the car will clear .050" using .8125" wheels. New wheels out of the bottle that mike about .830" give enough clearance for lots of practice time plus being legal for the race.

Cheater says I look like Uncle Fester, well at least I'm in the black and my car runs. :laugh2:

Mike, that 63/37 has awesome capillary/osmotic properties. :on_the_quiet2: I use 63/37 when I need it to flow at a lower temp; works like a charm.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 05:05 PM

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Pssst... Pablo... you gotta start over again... ya built it upside down! :crazy:
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 05:16 PM

Just say "I love your axle tubing strengtheners" one time, and I will return to Mexico, never to return :laugh2:
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 06:46 PM

I won't say it because I WANT you to stay around!

And, I am watching... :)

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 06:51 PM

Just say "I love your axle tubing strengtheners" one time, and I will return to Mexico, never to return.

I can't stop myself... I love your axle tubing strengtheners! :D

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:27 PM

Holy mackeral, Foamy is watching!
I saw a car with a Foamy chassis in Alabama once. It won, of course. I look and I learn. ;)

The main rail was pre-bent, but I spent an hour prepping it; tinning with silver solder, tweaking, sanding smooth, and making it perfectly aligned and flat. Note: no clamps are used in the jig... the parts are made to fit perfectly, no need to force them.
I spend lots of time making sure this is so. Sure it's easy and fast to clamp the parts down on the jig, but when the car impacts the wall, SPROING, the parts go where they wanted to. Pablo cars don't sproing.

I spend lots of time aligning, using my digital calipers. Tolerances for critical areas (axle tubes, motor bracket, etc.) are +/- 2 thou.

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:36 PM

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Very nice :clapping: :good:
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:45 PM

Geez, Pablo, that's the cleanest solder work I've ever seen. :good:

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 02:14 AM

Dummy axle is aligned in the jig to secure inner (parallel) rails.
Inner rails are butted against the front of the bracket.
(Thanks, Bob, I flipped it over, it works better :laugh2: )

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 06:18 AM

Paul,

I love how you lay the parts out first and make sure everything is fitting with no forcing. This gives a relaxed and smooth chassis. I do the same with my parts, not quite as good as yours but the same idea.

AND... if there was ever a great slogan for a car company you got it:

Pablo cars don't sproing. LOL... :laugh2:

Beautiful work!!
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Posted 24 September 2009 - 07:42 AM

Pablo cars don't sproing. LOL... :laugh2:

Maybe not, but I've heard them go "THUD" when they hit the wall. :laugh2: ;)

Great job, Pablo! :good:

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 08:57 AM

Pablo,

Where did you get those trick front jig wheels? Assuming a rectangular block can even be called a wheel :unsure: .
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Posted 24 September 2009 - 12:23 PM

Thanks, Joe !

I've heard them go "THUD" when they hit the wall.


That was on purpose, Pappy. Crash testing. ;)

Steve, those jig "blocks" were built by Rick Bennardo of R-Geo Products. My absolute favorites. They jig .063" clearance for .720", .750", .790", .825", and .875" in both 3/32" and 1/8" axle sizes. If he ever makes more of them, I would recommend getting on the waiting list. :D
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Posted 24 September 2009 - 01:39 PM

Re: R-Geo jig wheels pictured... which hole did you use to get .015" with .750" wheels? :laugh2:

They do look trick.
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Posted 24 September 2009 - 04:03 PM

:laugh2: Ray, thanks for asking :D
I'm going to answer your question.
Remember I said "dummy axle".
The dummy 3/32 axle sits at approximately the same height as the real axle assembly will sit.
Experience has taught me to set the final front wheel setup after all is done !!
The dummy is a soldering point for the upright wires. I tack the uprights to the dummy with an iron, then tweak until perfect.
After the upright wires are soldered hard to the chassis, I cut the tops, then remove the dummy axle.

The steel tongue is .050. It sits on top of a piece of .032 brass, sandwiched .032 X .032, .010 lift

It looks pretty ugly right now. Ugly Betty ! :o

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 04:11 PM

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 04:13 PM

Experience has taught me to set the final front wheel setup after all is done

It looks pretty ugly right now. Ugly Betty ! :o

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 04:27 PM

I forgot to say, careful placement of the uprights will allow a front axle assembly to be replaced easily.
This allows for a pre-made front axle assembly with softer, or harder, or bigger, or smaller, wheels, to be installed
in a heartbeat.
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Posted 24 September 2009 - 09:03 PM

I forgot to say, careful placement of the uprights will allow a front axle assembly to be replaced easily.
This allows for a pre-made front axle assembly with softer, or harder, or bigger, or smaller, wheels, to be installed
in a heartbeat.


I assume that this is is done before the chassis goes "THUD", and that the uprights are still at 90º? :laugh2:

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 11:54 PM

I got so wrapped up with the chassis, I almost forgot why I was doing it :shok:

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 09:55 AM

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 11:38 AM

It's in the Tumbler :D

When I wake up from my power nap (I worked a 12 hour shift last night) the front axle assembly will be soldered on to the uprights (using paste flux), and the ball bearings will be installed. Post-Tumbler photos of the chassis tonight at 11 :laugh2:

Don't hold your breath for anything freaky; it's a real standard build. Just as it was designed. ;)

Now I'm watching my IMAX NASCAR video and nodding off :popcorm1: :drinks: :beach:
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Posted 26 September 2009 - 08:08 PM

Made in the USA :D
It was a very easy build, thanks to the quality of the diagram and parts.
Usually it takes me a month to build a chassis -- this one only took a few days :laugh2:

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Tongue is flat, faced, and inner surface reamed and polished for a smooth rotation of the flag.
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I'm just showing the photos for the raffle. Not saying I'm anything special.
Just the facts. Some tools, some spare time, a tumbler, and a cheap camera :bye:
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Posted 26 September 2009 - 08:20 PM

Looks good :good: I like how you hung the pans. Do I also see floating pin tubes?



BTW:

Bill called me and said he finished your D3 F1 parts today. Those should go out in the mail this week.
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Posted 26 September 2009 - 08:22 PM

Looks nice Paul, very neat clean work. :good: :good: :drinks:
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Posted 26 September 2009 - 08:47 PM

Hi Larry :bye:

Rob, I have no idea what you are talking about. Who is "Bill", and why is he sending me D3 parts for a F1 ? I live in Mississippi; we have no D3 here. My IRRA F1 is doing fine, thank you. Are you confusing me with a different pablo ? :blink: :shok:
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Posted 26 September 2009 - 08:57 PM

Hi Paul,

I would like to know your reasoning for placing the bite bar so far forward on the chassis. Normally it's a lot closer to the motor. Have you discovered something?

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 09:48 PM

Hi Mike ! :D

Good question, I'm glad you asked :)

Here is my answer, and I'm sticking to it :laugh2: :
1. Traditional wisdom dictates more lift rear, and less in front. So if I place the bite bar forward, the rear will lift more.
2. In the interest of minimizing weight, and simplicity, I mounted ONE bar. It makes the rails stiffer, it provides a keeper for the wires, and it serves as a bite bar.

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 09:32 PM

My job here is done. The car is complete, minus body.
I'm sure y'all know what a pair of JK rear wheels looks like, so I kept them in the bottle to stay fresh......the "keepers" are there to keep the axle spacers from falling off :laugh2:

100% IRRA legal, and ready for battle. :)

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 09:57 PM

Great looking build! How much does this beauty weigh in at?
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Posted 27 September 2009 - 10:10 PM

Good question. I did not weigh it. It is boxed up and ready to ship.
Once the body is mounted, I guess it will weigh about 120 grams.
Well within IRRA legal limits, for sure.
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Posted 28 September 2009 - 07:04 AM

And remember, the winner will get to choose the body they want me to do for this little gem. Since it will probably meet the weight limit for Can-Am and GTC, there are now more choices!

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Posted 28 September 2009 - 07:09 AM

Beautiful build, as usual, Pablo. I'm sure Noose will come up with a body that will do the chassis proud.
Thanks again for your time and donation of parts to complete the chassis.
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