Toads and/or princesses
#76
Posted 07 November 2009 - 01:18 AM
I got to say some of the stuff that was build back then was way ugly? Alpha was cool too but hey I guess that what it's all about collecting old stuff?
Kinda like music you play some of the songs that you loved way back then to someone and she is looking at you with that look, and while you are playing it you think to your self man that sucked,, what was I thinking?
Hell I would like to see Warmacks toad or frog?
Thanks for that Edo great show my friend and I got a new pair of shoes.
I guess I'm a toad?
Got some more Pics?
Nesta
Nesta Szabo
In this bright future you can't forget your past.
BMW (Bob Marley and the Wailers)
United we stand and divided we fall, the Legends are complete.
I'm racing the best here at BP but Father time is much better then all of us united.
Not a snob in this hobby, after all it will be gone, if we keep on going like we do, and I have nothing to prove so I keep on posting because I have nothing to gain.
It's our duty to remember the past so we can have a future.
Pistol Pete you will always be in my memory.
#78
Posted 07 November 2009 - 09:31 AM
11/6/54-2/13/18
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#79
Posted 07 November 2009 - 11:16 AM
LOTS of pre-1967 sidewinder slot cars used a stressed motor.
Philippe de Lespinay
#80
Posted 07 November 2009 - 11:29 AM
What's more interesting, in my opinion, is another small series of cars that I found. I've got a GT, sport and F1 cars, and all have this type of midwestern sidewinder chassis, but in which the motor has been cocked over a few degrees to fit in easier. These seem to be from 67-68, but I don't think they are real anglewinders, because a lot of effort has been made to keep the track narrow, following Pete Hagenbuch's methods of screwing the gear to the wheel, set screw under the tire, etc. But the builder still angled the motor very slightly for it to fit in. The first one here is from a Ford MkIV GT Chassis, and the other two are from a chassis for a 50s Maserati F1:
Here's another one I like a lot, that uses the traditional method to combine smaller wheels, slightly narrower track, etc. in a 1/32 car: an idler gear! But this is a custom-built job, and very nicely done, much better than it looks in my mediocre photos. Lots of movement on the chassis as well... And in spite of being a Thingified Ford GT, there's still lots of effort to make this a very presentable car, including a full cockpit!
A last toad, that I tried to turn into a Princess, or at least a lady in waiting...First, as found (a pair of Cheetahs in fact), then as I modified it using a different body... And yes, it uses dual friction drive!
Don
#81
Posted 07 November 2009 - 11:46 AM
Remember, two wrongs don't make a right... but three lefts do! Only you're a block over and a block behind.
#82
Posted 07 November 2009 - 01:59 PM
Philippe and I have had the discussion in the past about these midwest anglewnders. To me it is a classic case of "making the press". I have told people in the past that I saw anglewinders in the 65/6 period, but they were just one off compromises trying for sidewinders because of the problems of SCALE.
making the news such that others who didn't think of it is the issue. Not so much "the first" but the first to make it popular!
Thus, I think that anglwinder probably predates 67 because of the can work.
Some years ago, I saw some of my frames from the early 70s show up on ebay. When I contacted the seller, he dismissed me because he made more money claiming some other venue!
I did have ONE car come back to my by the oddest circular way. While racing in Denver and C.Springs in the late 70s, a number of people talked me into building chassis for them that fit the particular "expert" rules at Jimbos in Denver. These were pretty simple cars using parma bits, the winged "drop arm" and pans, C can. Many years later when the local track opened in Salt lake In 91, one of the cars showed up. The owner was a travelling salesman who carried a box of cars so that if he saw a track, he would run. Anyway, he ran the track had a catastrophic motor failure. As the guy at the track had not the skills to pull and replace the motor, the owner tried to sell it to the track manager as a car by "the famous Ben Millspaugh".
This despite the logo on the chassis.
When he couldn't get it repaired or sold, just dropped it in the trash! So, the track owner said "can you fix this"...and I pointed to the logal, so i got the car back.
Oh, and years ago, P and I were discussing some of the cars in Greenslade's book that I recognized as being mine or Bob Schleichers that were mislabeled.
It happens.
Fate
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#83
Posted 07 November 2009 - 05:44 PM
There is enough evidence to show that Roy Moody built his first angle-winder in June or July 1967. Everyone else simply copied it once it had been seen. Roy told me personally over a telephone interview 10 years ago that the car shown in MC&S was indeed the very first he built, and the very first, period. This was also confirmed by other racers we talked to that were there.Thus, I think that anglwinder probably predates 67 because of the can work.
Husting claims to have never seen the Moody car or pictures of it, but it is unlikely. Regardless, Husting got the ball rolling in the 1/24 scale, and all other attempts were as far as I am concerned, misalignment mistakes from builders in need of new glasses.
Everything else goes into the Urban Legend pile, at least so far.
Philippe de Lespinay
#84
Posted 09 November 2009 - 12:50 AM
This one has custom machined wheels, SIX!!! ball bearings and has been repaired numerous time with fiberglass resin and very thin cloth. It came with a greasy business card, "Motor City Surplus". It actually ran and I took it to Buena Park to get a laugh and it made one lap......backwards.
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#85
Posted 09 November 2009 - 04:34 AM
Six ball bearings isn't bad, but I even have a car where the guy used a ball bearing on the guide flag!
Like you, I'm rather fascinated by the whole process that led to some of these cars. In particular, as I mentioned before, you'll see a car that's a pretty good example of craftsmanship, but there's one item that the guy just couldn't quite get right, often the drop arm...
Don
#86
Posted 09 November 2009 - 05:42 AM
How about this Graham Hill's STP, a "normal" car after all those "priceless" toads:
With a Dynamic tuned 26 D:
To which I added new brushes. Certus springs and Arodyn post protectors (it deserved such treatment 'cause it runs so great!):
Ta ta for now...
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#87
Posted 09 November 2009 - 11:44 AM
THIS I like. To me, the 56 seemed like a "thingie" that was real!
Fate
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#88
Posted 10 November 2009 - 03:03 AM
#89
Posted 10 November 2009 - 07:49 AM
Now that's a neat car! If it didn't wreck the period charm of the car, that one would deserve a chassis refurbishing...tightening-up the solder joints, some tumbling etc. Definitely a princess.
-john
#91
Posted 13 November 2009 - 11:54 PM
Nesta
Nesta Szabo
In this bright future you can't forget your past.
BMW (Bob Marley and the Wailers)
United we stand and divided we fall, the Legends are complete.
I'm racing the best here at BP but Father time is much better then all of us united.
Not a snob in this hobby, after all it will be gone, if we keep on going like we do, and I have nothing to prove so I keep on posting because I have nothing to gain.
It's our duty to remember the past so we can have a future.
Pistol Pete you will always be in my memory.
#92
Posted 14 November 2009 - 09:40 AM
We retained another from that box before selling everything else:
Philippe de Lespinay
#93
Posted 14 November 2009 - 12:58 PM
Remember, two wrongs don't make a right... but three lefts do! Only you're a block over and a block behind.
#94
Posted 14 November 2009 - 02:40 PM
Yes it is. This was inside a box containing absolutely the worst slapped-together slot cars we had ever seen. The owner was a drag racer and made everything himself but the standard was to say the least, uh, interesting. Bryan insisted on getting this car and the assorted controller for his turd collection.
We retained another from that box before selling everything else:
That kinda looks like that bad modern art you were talking about Dokk...All it lacks is a big jar of urine to store it in....
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#95
Posted 14 November 2009 - 04:23 PM
I intend to live forever! So far, so good.
#96
Posted 15 November 2009 - 04:58 AM
Oh yes, Bill! And it runs so well!Edo, I don't think you got any comments yet on your Graham Hill STP car. It's a fine looking machine. Definitely not a toad!
John,...If it didn't wreck the period charm of the car, that one would deserve a chassis refurbishing...tightening-up the solder joints, some tumbling etc.
indeed some do deserve a bit of loving care!
That is why, for the following particular Princesses found on Ebay, We've hired the Esteemed General Surgeon, J.Howmet-Dilworth, for a quick vintastic fixer upper :
Before:
After:
Next, time permitting, the Grummann guy's...
#97
Posted 15 November 2009 - 08:43 AM
-john
#98
Posted 15 November 2009 - 11:07 AM
That's unacceptable enhanced toadiness Your Majesty. On behalf of all the soldering klutz, I hereby protest this elitist move and demand a return to simple mediocrity! It is your civic duty.That is why, for the following particular Princesses found on Ebay, We've hired Esteemed General Surgeon J.Howmet-Dilworth the for a quick vintastic fixer upper
Philippe de Lespinay
#99
Posted 15 November 2009 - 11:19 AM
Signed:
Kaiser "Let them eat cake" Edolf
#100
Posted 15 November 2009 - 09:23 PM
Last time I heard something like that, someone lost his head...
Philippe de Lespinay