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Posted 06 December 2009 - 10:53 PM

Let me guess? Could it be they are good? :rolleyes:

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 12:46 AM

The really fast guys generally buy only one... I wonder why?

Except for Doug, got proof of that? :D
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 11:48 AM

Simple solution:

Eliminate all motors. Tie a string onto the front of the cars. Pull the cars around the track like little kids do with their pull toys.

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 12:17 PM

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 01:23 PM

We could call the class "string-budget racing"... :)

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 01:57 PM

For those of you that haven't noticed the fast guys get dog motors from time to time, they just don't all get them at once. You might also note that motor is only one part of the go fast equation. The paranoia over cheating is silly. There isn't much you could do to one of these motors unless you ditched the stock armature... then ditch the endbell and then...
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 01:57 PM

Simple solution:
Eliminate all motors. Tie a string onto the front of the cars. Pull the cars around the track like little kids do with their pull toys.

You would still be in the A Main... and on the podium. :laugh2:
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 02:51 PM

We sell parking-lot strings for fifty dollars.
Cash only, no checks.

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 03:19 PM

But you can bet that Doug's string would be like razor wire, ready to cut opponent's string in the corners, and Warmack would have a system of pulleys around the track so that he could stay in one place and pull the string from one spot, with ball bearings in the pulleys as well ;) :laugh2:

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 06:44 PM

They are so "equal"... only one is needed. ;)



Most manufacturing tollerance is 2 deviations from the mean. 95% of the motors will fall in that catagory and have similar performance. That is probably fine for racing on a flat track? On a King everyone is looking for the 3 deviation motor or at minimum the higher end 95%er, but you know that based on the wink. The motors wouldn't cost $10 if closer tollerance were required.

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BTW: Same manufacturing tollerance of acceptability is probably used on the Pro-Slot motors also? ;)

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 08:13 PM

Yes. :)

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 08:18 PM

What is the reason for the continued Hand out motor program then, if there is no cheating going on, no worries about inequities, and no concerns ? We do not have a hand out motor on any other tracks or classes. I was the one for the track making additional revenue by selling more motors, but anyone can get a welded motor from Buena Park by simply ordering one if they are out of town, so that excuse does not work either. If everyone says then that the motors can not be tampered with, what is the reasoning for not allowing motor purchases ahead of time ?

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 08:24 PM

Simple: it would favor the locals who could have, over the past few King races, secured a faster "welded" motor and set it aside for this special race. The out of towners do not have that opportunity and that would be unfair to them.
So, for a simple reason of courtesy and fairness to our visitors, that's the way it will be handled, everyone treated the same.

If I was going to a race in a different state, I would appreciate to be treated the same way.

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 08:36 PM

well thinking along the same lines as Mill,but still agreeing with PdL,on the handout motor subject,why not sell those race motors THE WEEK OF ,The Checkpoint,only !!!,,
Philippe,you did say they were gonna be welded and SPECIALLY MARKED,,,
that way a person could have his (sh#t) stuff ready the morning of,instead of having to thrash that morn,,,
and still write down the # of motors a person buys so he can only buy 5,,they'd (BPR) have a much better chance at selling 4 or 5 to each guy,trying for that "elite 5%, of the quikers motor if ya bought 4 or 5 over a 3 day period leading to Can AM Race day,that way the out of towners can get their motors early too and test that week,,JMO ok
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 08:41 PM

I think we made 360 degrees back to Philippe's original post # 1. :laugh2:
I guess you could say the circle is complete.

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 11:07 PM

Mark C would run laps around you geezers with his string :laugh2:
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 11:49 PM

Mr p maybe you could have a Priest stop by and Bless All the motors before Purchase and thus God will make them all equal. Guys just look at the qt times and the # of laps in the race reports. Or start going to Church and pray for a fast motor. I will be in the parking lot next to the tree on race day cash only!!! LOL
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:43 AM

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What kind of sting would that be a G-String? :laugh2:

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 01:03 AM

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What kind of sting would that be a G-String? :laugh2:

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Nesta you're asking the wrong Mark :rolleyes:
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 01:34 AM

I know, ;) but this thread is getting so redundant, and if you go back and read about subjects about "hand out motors" we are doing the same thing over and over. ;)
So tell me why is it so? :unsure:
I can dig up some threads that will prove the point, maybe the magic point is motors because that will stir up the audience?

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PS I know Mike S point of using a string is excellent. :laugh2: Thanks Mike I was giggling all day long on that comment.
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 02:34 AM

Easy to wonder off target Nesta. Rabbit trails happen. My point being that its to everyone's benefit to attract more racers by making it more affordable this making it more competitive. IMO 3 motors is playing with a more practical playing field. When $$ get involved instead of fun, then priorities are out of place.
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 06:29 AM

That would have to be handout string! It's the only way you could ensure everybody gets the same length of string & the same weight. Afterall, you can't have people running cars on a roll of dental floss! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:13 PM

That would have to be handout string! It's the only way you could ensure everybody gets the same length of string & the same weight. Afterall, you can't have people running cars on a roll of dental floss! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:


I'm sure Paul and Philippe would be more than able to tech strings with their calipers :rolleyes:
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 05:51 PM

We are too poor in California to afford tape.


And the tape tax is excessive!!! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 05:57 PM

Easy to wonder off target Nesta. Rabbit trails happen. My point being that its to everyone's benefit to attract more racers by making it more affordable this making it more competitive. IMO 3 motors is playing with a more practical playing field. When $$ get involved instead of fun, then priorities are out of place.

I have been following along as most have. I saw nowhere that it mandated 5 motors, it was offered as an option. One could go, enter and only purchase one motor if economics dictated such.

But in closing, a traveling racer, buying 60 bucks worth of motors would be but a miniscule expense in retrospect of the costs to attend the event. To each his own.............

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