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#101 tonyp

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 08:09 AM

Way cool.

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 08:18 AM

Joel, Mitch and our own hero Pete Von Ahrens aka "Black Bart"!!!

I believe the guy in the tech room is a kid named Wayne. Me , him and Beltz handled the cars during some of the races.

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 08:30 AM

Wayne Bosinski...

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 08:43 AM

Wayne Bosinski...

Yes yes, awesome memory TP. He is on my left in my Nutley picture...photo_708.jpg

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 10:20 AM

Jersey John we need a bigger clearer picture of you in that picture!
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Posted 04 January 2010 - 10:53 AM

Jersey John we need a bigger clearer picture of you in that picture!

LOL I will see if i can find the original.

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 04:06 PM

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Typical main at any of the NYC area tracks - or what was left in 1970. Could've been Buzzys or GlenOaks or C&C too.

'Monty", Eddie Hochdorf, Ed Sohl, TonyP, Brady, Mitch Keil, PvA...but I don't know the dood on red. I do remember Joel had those pants :rolleyes: And look how fashionable Ed looks!

Those were great daze!
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Posted 04 January 2010 - 04:11 PM

Bob Cotton on red.

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 05:05 PM

my bad!
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Posted 04 January 2010 - 07:48 PM

Mr. Gorski,
Thank you for the reminder about the photos you posted of mine (also Jaz). I found them on an old laptop from 2005 so here are some more :)

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 07:55 PM

Two more

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 07:59 PM

Phillipe - you asked about Mitch Keil. He is now in Michigan and a professor of Mechanical Engineering at Western Michigan State University.

As for Nutley...... INDEED the Mecca of Slot Racing in the late 60's early 70's!!! It was an absolute baptism of fire coming from the hinterland of slots to 'the Big City' for the first time (and most every time thereafter:). What a "Palace of Speed" it was and I (along with every other track owner worth his salt) certainly used everything I could from the info we gained there when I built my King in Greenbelt.

Along with So-Cal, Nutley presented the ultimate challenge in terms of a travelling racer going into a place and having success. The local racers were THAT good and it took everything we could come up with to rise to, and compete at their level.

A special time......... a special place........ AND some VERY special people!
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 08:06 AM

In the last picture above, I can tell that is an American track by that unique railing alongside the overpass. Is that an American Blue King? If so, WOW, dig that flat and tight lead-on!
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 08:13 AM

Yup a real American King.... When Kings were Kings and World Records meant something....

Joel's track in Greenbelt was the only other King that was equal to Nutley I ever raced on.... Beautiful track..
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:02 AM

Papa Bill marshaling the lead-on?
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:06 AM

Yes.... Bill Harless, Team Mule. Later on he started his Mule Shoes tire company. Bill and his sons raced at Elmsford and made all the pro races on the east coast.

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:32 AM

In the last picture above, I can tell that is an American track by that unique railing alongside the overpass. Is that an American Blue King? If so, WOW, dig thast flat and tight lead-on!



Tex, you should come to Columbus, Oh in Mach for the R4 and experience the flat tight lead on personally. ;)

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:32 AM

Phillipe - you asked about Mitch Keil. He is now in Michigan and a professor of Mechanical Engineering at Western Michigan State University.

Thanks Joel!
I think that he posted here a couple of times but vanished after that. Mitch was such a good and fun guy to be with. Nutley was very special indeed.
What of Bob Cotton, still around? :)

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 10:07 AM

Tex, you should come to Columbus, Oh in Mach for the R4 and experience the flat tight lead on personally. ;)



Maybe someday. The R4 is in March, right? My annual software convention is also in March; it would be difficult at best to get permission to take personal time then. Also, I have to see how my wife's health problems develop and are dealt with this year. I should know more in a month. I'd say my chances are at about 0.5% right now that I can attend the R4. But, as they say, "Hope springs eternal!".
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 10:35 AM

The turn on the straigh was my weak spot. Never was fast through there... Maybe because my car always came up the donut so fast I had to brake more than everone else to make the lead on. LOL..... It was a tough turn, the slowest on the track....

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 12:03 AM

Bob Cotton is in Florida and working for a high end Automobile delaership in Palm Beach (Rollers, Bentleys, Mercedes etc). None of the original Camen crew seem to have ventured tooooo far from "the spirit" :)
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Posted 06 January 2010 - 12:26 AM

Sorry to go of tangent.
But I have to say I always enjoyed the old photographs that you guys post, love the pic's of the east coast guys.
To bad that you guys are so far away other wise I would love to tape your stories. ;)
I need someone to help me out to tape some.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 06:42 PM

Tony, Didn't you ride to C@C with the Bosinski's? Dad name Gene? From what I recall super nice people. How yopu rate Buzzy's king?From what I rember some of the joints where rought. Power a bit harder on the motors than Joels ? Larry

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 06:51 PM

Tony, Didn't you ride to C@C with the Bosinski's? Dad name Gene? From what I recall super nice people. How yopu rate Buzzy's king?From what I rember some of the joints where rought. Power a bit harder on the motors than Joels ? Larry

I hung with Wayne at the Track. I remember his Dad Gene. A really nice guy. Wayne used to wear these striped pants all the time LOL

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 06:56 PM

There was another kid I hung with.He was from Lodi and had a reallty hot sister...

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 11:09 PM

There was another kid I hung with.He was from Lodi and had a reallty hot sister...

Betcha can remember the sister's name!!!!

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 08:16 AM

Larry, Nutley, Joels, Buzzy & C&C tied. Pretty much the same rating for power also. Joels and Nutley were pretty damn close.

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 09:45 AM

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Mitch Keil of today or at least 2005 from a photo at the Western Michigan State university website. Always good to see a slot racer of old doing well. Went on to bigger and better things. Read over his resume and some of his technical publications at your own risk because your brain might start bleeding! Also we now have to refer to him as Dr. Mitch Keil Phd.
Mitch like the rest of the Camen crew (Joel, Bob Cotton, et al) was one of the most intense competitors to come out of the east for the big races held in the midwest such as the Coke race and many races at Parma. Mitch would totally immerse himself in the race to the point that he was completely drenched in sweat by the end of the last segment not matter if he was running for first place or bring up the end of the field. On any given day with equel cars on the track I would always be looking for him to edge out to the front. Not only was he a fantastic driver, but a practioner of good sportmanship also. No drama/no gimmicks with this racer. What you saw is what you got and that was a good thing.
They were awesome days of slot racing with awesome drivers that were a joy to watch.
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Posted 07 January 2010 - 10:00 AM

[i]"Mitch Keil of today or at least 2005 from a photo at the Western Michigan State university website.......No drama/no gimmicks with this racer. What you saw is what you got and that was a good thing."

But off track, he'd completely blow you away with some of the suprises, stunts and tricks he'd pull out of nowhere. You'd be standing there wondering what the .... just happened!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 07 January 2010 - 11:53 AM

Does anyone have a photo of Mitch's "Keil Pile", a car he raced and one with some rumored 30 times? I saw him race it at Nutley a few times when Tony P. Emott and others were building exquisite masterpieces. If there is a photo the nickname will seem warranted. :rolleyes: Interestingly enough when others were all building 2 and 3 rail frames, wire/brass, sometimes flattened wire, .063, .055, .047 combos Mitch showed up, as I recall with a single rail (each side) of .078 that he just kept wining with. It would be great to see this frame to compare to todays basic Retro design.
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Posted 07 January 2010 - 12:58 PM

I remember mitch showing up with a chassis with 3 rails of .063 wire all soldered together, super stiff, no cross piece in front of the motor, plumber on the center I believe, and a lancer porsche coupe with no cut out front wheel wells, The first time this may have been done. I think this maybe the car you are thinking about. Very simple but with a knowledge of stick-it and Joels power it was a rocket!

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 02:06 PM

Tony,

You are right about that frame but I am pretty certain that Mitch came back with the single .078 rail car, no crossbar, that became the "Keil Pile", but i could be wrong. Maybe Joel would be good enough to clarify. :unsure:

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 03:39 PM

I sort of rember ray kallio making the first monorail chassis, but i could be wrong..

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 07:06 PM

Hay Tony, I found Wayne B. he is on facebook. He still has his STUFF. Waynes Dad Gene and Gunther Faas used to take Wayne to all of the races at Nutley, Buzzy and C& C. I beleve his dad Gene made the Heat sinks for Provettis C-can motors. Here is a shot of Wayne. he is in the striped pants.post_256_1262652854.jpg

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 11:32 AM

That's Wayne & Gene.... Gene worked for picatinny arsenal. He used to get us all kinds of cool stuff like Eastman 910 years before you could buy it as crazy glue over the counter and he helped Fred Strauss and I develop our steel chassis by getting the steel hardened in all different rockwell levels.... Great guy...

Tell Wayne I have first dibs if he wants to sell any of his stuff.

Russ Boyington is the one that made our heatsinks..

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 01:58 PM

Russ Boyington is the one that made our heatsinks..


Didn't you guys use Mura Elephant Ears later????

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 02:11 PM

yes. We also used ones maybe by champion that russ used to punch out for us.

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 07:18 PM

Jersey John. What year do you think the photo is ? I didn't meet them till 72 when I started racing at C&C . Was nice to meet you at Doms. Wish I could have stayed longer ! Larry

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 09:06 PM

Larry that shot was around 70-71. It was great meeting you as well Larry. Hope to see at other Retro East races..

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 11:54 AM

Larry was one of the best Semi Pro's at the time. Always fast at C&C. Now I'd love to see some pictures from there....

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#141 Larry Labounty

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 06:58 PM

Tony. Most of my pictures from that period where slids. When I clean out my parnets house you can image what I did. Maybe Gil Aubin may have some. I"ll ask Ray Lee as I rember Debbie always seem to have a camera .Only slot race I rember with a keg in the back room. Larry

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 08:26 AM

C&C was always a blast..

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 02:30 PM

Quoting the Flash: "Does anyone have a photo of Mitch's 'Keil Pile'...?"
Now, Fred I am surprised that you are asking. I distinctly remember you taking a picture of that frame on a piece of graph paper at Nutley.

The 0.073 rail car, on the other hand, was first raced at C&C in Connecticut (the "500" race). It had 4 bearings in the rear with Champion taper-lock rims. The rubber was mounted on the rims an hour before we left Virginia, and Walt Labree let me use his tire cutter. I assembled it just before the race for the first time and crossed my fingers. That was a smooth handling car.

You were quite the photojournalist. Those pictures of Jim bring memories of his huge laugh right into the room. I still don't see how Eddie Sohl could hold that lean of his for a whole race without ruining his lower back.

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 02:39 PM

Hi Mitch....

"And if my thought-dreams could be seen they'd probably put my head in a guillotine. But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only." - Dylan

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 05:05 PM

I still have the two black and white 5 foot by 9 foot posters/pictires that were hanging on the wall at C&C raceway... They are mounted on plasterboard..... One is of a couple of Ferrari race cars going through the "esses" at Lemans, and the other is a 3/4 top view picture of Grahm Hill at Indy... They were hung on the walls of my old BIR raceway in Union, NJ, for years, and the are now getting moldy sitting in my garage along with all the left over inventory from when I closed the raceway thirty years ago.... Anyone need 7 six foot glass show cases cheep.... LOL The pictures will have to go to a local raceway that has a lot of wall space, with a promise that that will be returned to me if the raceway ever closes.... They were made for American Model Raceways "back in the day" and may bhe the only ones still in existance. When I "go", they will end up in some dump alomg with all the other "junk"...
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Posted 21 January 2010 - 05:31 PM

When I "go", they will end up in some dump alomg with all the other "junk"...



If you'll adopt me, that won't have to happen. :)
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Posted 21 January 2010 - 05:55 PM

Tex, Why don't you adopt Bob...... He needs to get out of the Jersey weather.

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 06:16 PM

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Hi Mitch....
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Hi, Tony. It's been a long time.

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 06:18 PM

I still don't see how Eddie Sohl could hold that lean of his for a whole race without ruining his lower back.

Mitch--I did a lot of racing with Eddie back then and we are the same age and were real young when those pictures were taken.

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 06:19 PM

Professor Keil, welcome!
Now you are not going to disappear on us again, will you? :)
Nice to hear from you Mitch. I was just asking on another thread if anyone had sighted you recently.

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