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[Noose]

Can ANYONE besides Paul Sterret, who does not answer e-mails, tell me what is legal and not legal for D3 bodies since I am finding lists all over the place (here and the "official D3" website) and none of them make sense anymore.

I'm kinda running out of time to paint bodies for guys that want them. Please help!!!

• D3 Coupes (which I think is what is running at the Checkpoint Cup) does NOT show the OS Chevron B16 nor the True Scale Mirage MK2 anywhere but I see them in all the race reports.

• An October post by Keith Tanaka lists a whole bunch of OS bodies that were approved and the Mirage MK2 is there.

• I know John Dilworth (Howmet TX) submitted a D3 version of the Lotus 43. Has anyone approved it yet?

• Steube's JD list shows the OS Lotus 40 approved. It's not on the list on the website and I still can't get an answer from anyone.

I'm just glad I didn't build a Retro Pro motor.

[Joe Mig]

Good Question Joe .
I do not get an answer from Victor from Truescale as eather.

[redbackspyder]

Noose, I have a 350 stack, long nose, TI 23.5, with a set of Speed Rubber ready for you to race in the IROC race at the Checkpoint Cup. You will just need to run the spec gears and lights

[Keith Tanaka]

Joe, below in red are my comments on the approved or not approved bodies.

Keith

Can ANYONE besides Paul Sterret, who does not answer e-mails, tell me what is legal and not legal for D3 bodies since I am finding lists all over the place (here and the "official D3" website) and none of them make sense anymore.

I'm kinda running out of time to paint bodies for guys that want them. Please help!!!

• D3 Coupes (which I think is what is running at the Checkpoint Cup) does NOT show the OS Chevron B16 nor the True Scale Mirage MK2 anywhere but I see them in all the race reports. The OS Chevron B16 is not approved.

• An October post by Keith Tanaka lists a whole bunch of OS bodies that were approved and the Mirage MK2 is there. These are approved.

• I know John Dilworth (Howmet TX) submitted a D3 version of the Lotus 43. Has anyone approved it yet? The narrower version of the Lotus 43 is approved, the wider version is not approved.

• Steube's JD list shows the OS Lotus 40 approved. It's not on the list on the website and I still can't get an answer from anyone.
  The Lotus 40 version which is a repop of the Truescale Lotus 40 is approved. The other OS Lotus 40 which has a much higher rear tail is not approved.

I'm just glad I didn't build a Retro Pro motor.

[Noose]

Thanks Keith. I assume then that the True Scale Mirage MKII is approved?

Also, if the OS Chevron isn't Ok how come it was in the October race report? I also saw a Porsche 908 with a spoiler or was the the other Coupe class?

[TSR]

Thanks Keith. I assume then that the True Scale Mirage MKII is approved?

Yes.

Also, if the OS Chevron isn't Ok how come it was in the October race report?

It was approved for the Le Mans Coupes, a class that no longer exists.

[Noose]

OK then how come it was on an anglewinder which is what the D3 Coupe class is right? It was Doug's car.

[Keith Tanaka]

Thanks Keith. I assume then that the True Scale Mirage MKII is approved? Yes, it's approved.

Also, if the OS Chevron isn't Ok how come it was in the October race report? It sneaked by tech inspection! I also saw a Porsche 908 with a spoiler or was the the other Coupe class? The 908 might have been the Le Mans (inlines) class.

Noose, sometimes our monthly races do not catch the "illegal" bodies being used. For the Checkpoint, the tech nazi will be present

Keith

[dougmatthes]

Hi Noose,

I thought the Chevron was legal, but Paul informed me during the tech for that October Race it wasn't; since it was a small race he let me run it. Futhermore, Paul discribed the intent of the Coupe class in futher detail - "since the class allows for much more chassis movement then the other classes the body downforce is limited" - the Chevron body has what amounts to a spoiler in the rear. Too bad because: I don't like to use a rear spoiler on the King track, the main reason for using this body is the short length, the other Coupe bodies are too long for my short chassis. The Porsche is legal and short, but too narrow - messing up the pan movement. We really need another shorter legal body for this class.

[Noose]

Thanks again Keith and thanks Doug.

FWIW, guys do look at the race reports and they ARE the reference for those that would travel to a race. I agree fun is the key thing but I hope you realize that the reference material not jiving with postings and the rules makes it awful hard for someone to have that fun legally ESPECIALLY since the Checkpoint Cup is D3s premier race is is not?

[redbackspyder]

Philippe, could you clarify for me, when exactly was the Chevron Body made illegal ? Was it not about 1 year ago ? You guys chastised Pete Zimmerman for it at the time as I remember.

[Ron Hershman]

It must be a Lola T-70...that's what is on the tech sheet. LOL

[Noose]

LOL..I didn't even read that. Pretty funny actually since the Lola T70 is legal. Well ..some versions anyway.

[TSR]

Mill, as far as I know, it always was illegal for the D3 coupes, and always legal for the Le Mans Coupes.
Since I had nothing to do with either decision (Mike S and Paul did the classes), I am the wrong person to ask.

[Bob Emott]

Noose...

Can you post a copy of the picture of the Howmet Lola T-70 Can Am with the Ford Indy V-8 engine and the bundle of snakes exhaust pipes on the rear deck so I can find out if it is ok for use in Jail Door Can-Am or for IRRA Can-Am....

Thanks...

[redbackspyder]

Then my question is, since the coupe class is now combined, I am assuming the Chevron is still illegal, is that right Keith, Paul or whomever ?

[Noose]

Noose...

Can you post a copy of the picture of the Howmet Lola T-70 Can Am with the Ford Indy V-8 engine and the bundle of snakes exhaust pipes on the rear deck so I can find out if it is ok for use in Jail Door Can-Am or for IRRA Can-Am....

Thanks...

Here is the body you are talking about. I have the one you gave me that John Dilworth pulled in PETG. If it becomes available in Lexan I see no reason it can't go through the approval process for the IRRA list. As for D3 they will have to decide. I also think it would just fine for the Jail Door Sports Car Series but approval is up to Paul and Keith since Mike Steube is no longer associated with it.

[TSR]

Mill, there is only one Coupe class now, the D3 Coupes, and yes, the Chevron (either the MAC or O/S) are not allowed.

Provisional approved body listing:

Electric Dreams 1969 Porsche 917SH
Electric Dreams Chaparral 2D
Electric Dreams Lola T70 MKIIIB
Electric Dreams Ford MKIV
ToyTech-Dynamic Ferrari P3/P4
ToyTech-Dynamic Porsche 908
TrueScale-Dynamic Porsche 908
TrueScale-Dynamic Ferrari P3/P4
TrueScale-Dynamic McLaren M6
TrueScale-Dynamic Gulf-Mirage
TrueScale-Dynamic Lola T70 MKIIIB

Also: Any and all vintage or exact replicas of 1960's Lancer, Dynamic, Revell, Du-Bro, Russkit and Champion bodies representing a known pre-1970 GT Coupe.
Other bodies must be submitted to The Division III Committee members for approval.
NOTE: The MAC Chevron B16, O/S Chevron B16 and any reproduction of the MAC "Porsche" coupe bodies are not allowed as they do not meet the spirit of the rules for this class.

Joe, is this Lola a 1/43 scale FLY car or a 1/32 scale Monogram model?

[Noose]

That's still not the complete list. The TS Mirage MKII that Keith says is approved is not there nor are all of the OS ones shown in another post Keith made.

[Noose]

Joe, is this Lola a 1/43 scale FLY car or a 1/32 scale Monogram model?

It's just a picture for reference that Bob had. I believe he has the real one it's 1/24th scale. The Howmet TX body I have is an exact replica of this.

[68Caddy]

Did anyone see if there where any Coupe body's at BPR last time you where there? Or do I have to try to get in touch with Victor?
Need some desperately so I can have a chance to race at the Checkpoint race.

Nesta

[Larry Mattingly]

Who is on first...

Could Bob's example be one of the 1/18th GMP die casts?

LM

[TSR]

That's still not the complete list. The TS Mirage MKII that Keith says is approved is not there nor are all of the OS ones shown in another post Keith made.

Noose, the TS mirage is already on the list. It is the only Mirage coupe, the one patterned after the Dynamic body.
What O/S bodies? I am aware of the Retro Pro bodies and we added these. Does O/S has any other coupes besides the Chevron that have been approved? I did not see any on the O/S website, actually I did not see much of anything there. Is there another website I should be looking at? We certainly could use more CORRECT Coupe bodies.

Nesta, I gave a Ford MK4 body to Bryan for your car.

[Noose]

This is Keith's Post

New Approved D3 Bodies

There is this Mirage (not on list)


and there is is this Mirage (on list)

[redbackspyder]

Beautiful Bodies Noose, hope you guys get it all figured out, I am more confused now than ever. Will the Real Retro Body List Please Stand Up ?