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#26 Jairus

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:28 PM

I was recently very surprized when I "stripped" the paint off of a gold metallic Monogram Snake body and found that the body was not clear but rather "tinted" goldish yellow. The body was simply painted silver underneath to create a cool "candy" effect as Noose eluded to. I wonder how many other factory bodys were done this way that we are unaware of?

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That is a standard DuBro thing, ie: Tinted plastic painted silver underneath. I have had a number of Dubro bodies that I built chassis for that were pre-painted with colored windows, and that is the key to look for. Tinted windows.... ;)
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:23 AM

and that is the key to look for. Tinted windows.


yes, that's pretty obvious but, a Monogram Snake hasn't got windows...

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 09:01 AM

Well, okay that would certainly be harder to tell!
But Mike the question you asked was about "other factory bodies".

Revell had some too, or so the late Bob Paeth eluded to them. He said to me one night while we talking slots.... " that he watched the process of molding vacuum form bodies." The process from molding to trimming to painting was done very quickly. But what really amazed him was what he called magic paint where the body was sprayed silver only! But when the paint dried the body was candy colored!

I assume what he saw was silver shot into colored plastic and that was from Revell!

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 09:49 AM

I was recently very surprized when I "stripped" the paint off of a gold metallic Monogram Snake body and found that the body was not clear but rather "tinted" goldish yellow. The body was simply painted silver underneath to create a cool "candy" effect as Noose eluded to. I wonder how many other factory bodys were done this way that we are unaware of?

I do believe that was probably a clear body that was etched by the gold. Your stripper did not remove what had bonded with the plastic. I have stripped clear bodies before that retained some painted color.

Jairus, Here is the "magic" paint that Bob must have seen. All of these are Candy colors that look silver in the jar. I believe Ulrich paints were the best for clear bodies. When you painted with these colors they went on silver and dried Candy. It says you can brush them but they did not work for me. Either they are old and won't work or they have to be airbrushed. Haven't got to it yet.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:23 AM

Lacquer?
Enamel?


Send me one? ;)

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:36 AM

My guess it's just silver with pearl? If so what's cool is back then pearl was pearl, not mica like today. That's why if you use say a purple pearl ( mica) over white today it will flop a ugly greenish color. The good stuff that's real doesn't


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:59 PM

If I remember this right back in the 60's Practa was the stuff to use. The color was on the bottle but when ya painted it it came out the color you chose but inside of the body was sliver. Maybe Noose can set us stright on this. The dye thing was cool but it also tinted the windws too. Hope this helps you guys! Ken.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 01:57 PM

The Ulrich paint was lacquer I believe. It was thinner than any enamel I remember from the time. If you were to brush it on , you needed a bigger soft brush that left less brush marks. And the silver base provided some protection against oil, tire goop, etc. The tinted bodies were also a treat as stated . I wish they could do something like that now, then spray silver for "colder" looking color, or gold for the "warm" look.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 03:10 PM

Jairus,Rob I will send you a bottle on one condition. You experiment with it to try to get it to work and post your results here on the Blog. PM you address for a bottle. Joe

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 05:05 PM

Joe- When this paint came out it was the greatest thing since sliced bread for me. No more screwed up paint jobs! It went on easy and came out great. If you missed a spot, just paint over it. The silver ALWAYS came out underneath! I finally located a bunch of jars of the stuff, but unfortunatly, after experimenting with it for a while, I found out it no longer works.The biggest problem now is that it no longer comes out without streaking. Most likely it is some breakdown of the chemicals due to age. I did NOT try it in an airbrush, just a regular paint brush like in the 60's. Too bad this can't be duplicated again. It was great stuff back in the day. :)
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 05:11 PM

I remember putting salt in the dye when dying parts with Rit dye.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 05:13 PM

Here is a link with some video links on dying parts.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 06:14 PM

I hear you were responsible for the pink color on the spur gears or did Ken find out pink plastic was cheaper?

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 06:20 PM

Joe- When this paint came out it was the greatest thing since sliced bread for me. No more screwed up paint jobs! It went on easy and came out great. If you missed a spot, just paint over it. The silver ALWAYS came out underneath! I finally located a bunch of jars of the stuff, but unfortunatly, after experimenting with it for a while, I found out it no longer works.The biggest problem now is that it no longer comes out without streaking. Most likely it is some breakdown of the chemicals due to age. I did NOT try it in an airbrush, just a regular paint brush like in the 60's. Too bad this can't be duplicated again. It was great stuff back in the day. :)


Gary, I had the same exact results :angry: . I was expecting magic. I am sending a bottle to a couple guys to see if they can get it "flowin". I did use some Ulrich Black on a repop Batmobile and the coverage was amazing.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:47 PM

Buy a black one, simple? :laugh2:


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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:20 AM

Buy a black one, simple? :laugh2:


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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:52 AM

Do they have them on the wall at BP?

Ray, if they do, they're probably Tore's. He was dyeing them black 2 or 3 years ago.

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:12 AM

I hear you were responsible for the pink color on the spur gears or did Ken find out pink plastic was cheaper?



LOL sorta kinda....... the original PSE Spur gears were made in Pink as it went with the pink/black color theme of PSE at the time. The crown gears were after my days at Parma.

I know that there were some spur gears molded in black color for a short time only.

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:34 AM

Any black Parma spurs I have are 64 pitch. People can say what they want about the pink gears. I always found their plastic to be quite durable. When my kids raced, I always made sure to have a Parma spur on their cars. My daughter once made her 30T spur into a 29T but the car continued to run fine.

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 02:04 PM

Remember, it takes a REAL man to wear pink! Or use pink...I guess.. :blink: :laugh2:
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 03:01 PM

The sunshine orange doesn't work very well for dye LOL!
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 05:39 PM

LOL?
What is up with that?

Sunshine Orange has not been used, note the sealed box. It is the black I was and almost always use. The box is just an example so those who are looking for the stuff will recognize what to look for. But thanks for the information.

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Actually, that is not true. I did use an orange on this replica of an "Orange Picker" end bell for another build. Of course I started with a white endbell and dyed it to match the original on the left.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 07:20 PM

I just saw the orange at the store and I gotta be honest, I wanted the orange real bad coach :)
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Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:59 AM

Hey Rich ! You won't catch me walking into the "Groove" and running my cars with your statement. My whole fleet of cars are "Pink". Gus in Sacto



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Posted 30 August 2010 - 04:21 PM

Jairus,Rob I will send you a bottle on one condition. You experiment with it to try to get it to work and post your results here on the Blog. PM you address for a bottle. Joe


OK, I had time to try the bottle Joe sent me.

Photo 1) shows a body I airbrushed. The bottle said "Brown" but the results were just silver. Note: I added a little thinner to the paint and sprayed as I normally would.

Photo 2) I noticed where my airbrush "spit" I had a couple dark colored spots

Photo 3) I then airbrushed some paint straight at the point that it would run. It shows a halo of a pinkish color

Photo 4) I then just blobed some on with a brush to see what would happen. Just shows a darkish red / maroonish color

I'm not sure how it was orginally supposed to work, but it didn't seem to have any special effect for me? My paint also seemed very thin?

Hopefully Jairus has better results?

It is a KILLER ultra fine silver that's cool and I will use up:good:

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