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#1 Uncle Fred

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 09:54 AM

UNBELIEVABLE!:shok:

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:01 AM

Even if this chassis is from the "golden age" (at least based on the body and the motor in it) and may not have worked as well as the prevailing technology at the time, it is very humbling to look at the engineering thought and workmanship that went it the building of it.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:13 AM

One of the nicest period cars I have seen. And remarkable workmanship, The body would date the car to 1967, but the motor could date it a year earlier.

So was the original body that same Eagle or was it something else?


Love that anti-sway bar that goes around the Weldun crown gear... The Ulrich wheels look great, too. A splendid example of teenage learned talent.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:29 AM

Man, that's really nice work. :good:

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:33 AM

I think the car was built in '66 or '67.

If I remember correctly Roy only made a couple of laps before a half shaft broke and a wheel came flying off! He seems to have epoxied the half shafts together for strength. The front inboard coil springs and bulkhead are most impressive.

I think that the Eagle was the original body.

Phillipe, maybe you should plan a trip north to SF to see it in person?
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:09 AM

Maybe we can talk Roy into paying us a visit at the LASCM where he can see several of his old cars... :)

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:49 AM

WOW! What a car. So many more details the more you look!

Those Ulrich wheels are not that wide which means I believe he had to remove the inner lip to get bigger meats on (done this myself a few times). How about those bearings on the inner axle carrier! Looks like outboard ones are there but it's hard to tell. Wonderful wire routing. What is that red thing attached to the endbell?

To my eye everything looks perfectly scaled.

Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:06 PM

I think Roy thought he was posting this:

The 1967 Gurney Weslake Eagle has got to be my favorite F1 car. It was the only F1 car to be designed, built and driven to a F1 victory (the Belgium GP) by and American. In a Road and Track article a few years back, that featured Dan Gurney and the car, the article states that the Weslake Eagle is arguably the "most beautiful F1 car ever built".

I was always inclined to the mechanical aspects of the cars that we modeled in 1/24 scale. This particular car was inspired by the Eagle that Jose Rodriguez built for the NAMRA series in 1967/1968. Jose was a great one for detail.

What a beauty! I wanted to build one, too. Unfortunately, for my car, I never had the time to paint and detail the body. I wasn't sure how I would model the exhaust system, with the top of the rear suspension springs being so high.

I built the chassis in three weeks, during the summer between my freshman and sophomore years in college. I started the project by drawing the chassis at 2:1 scale (drawing being two times the actual model). I took measurements of the Lancer body to make sure that the front suspension and rear trailing arms exited the body at the right locations. The rear suspension has six ball bearings, two half-shafts, four universal joints, working anti-sway bar (adjustable), coil over "shocks", adjustable spring compression (by turning the threaded washer at the top of the shock), and adjustable ride height (by turning the spring). Since I really don't have shocks, the spring compresses in the upward and downward motion, so as to act like a shock absorber.

The front suspension has pseudo rack and pinion steering. The guide is mounted on an arm. As the guide move off of the center of the slot, the rack turns the front wheels towards the slot, centering the car in the lane. The front coil-over "shocks" works the same way as the rear. The guide also drops.


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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:10 PM

... adjustable shocks and rack and pinion steering... :o :wub:
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:32 PM

Now we know that is not going in any tumbler.;)
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:37 PM

Hi,

Much nicer than the one I did! Mine was a scale Lotus 18. Didn't work. Sigh.

But sometimes ya gotta build. Thanks for the photos!

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:56 PM

Man, could he fabricate.

What a craftsman.

Among other things, look at how tight that crown gear fits in the rear.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:16 PM

Yeah, Roy read Noose's advice on gear-mesh settings... :)

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:21 PM

Not to be picky but there doesn't appear to be any top mounts for the rear coil-overs. With nothing to hold the springs the suspension would have just bottomed out.

A wheel came off? Guess the slot car version of rules didn't require full floating rear hubs. :)

It is beautiful workmanship!
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:36 PM

An amazing car, and I'm very glad to get a closeup! There was an article about a NAMRA race with a photo of a suspension car by Roy, but don't know if it was this one, and it was way too small to see any details.

Everything I love in a slot car...

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:42 PM

Don,

Apparently Roy never finished the car, so the one at the NAMRA race must be the one currently surviving as a chassis at the LASCM.

With Roy's help, maybe I will be able to get it back together some day...

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:43 PM

The craftsmanship and detail are amazing!

Thank you for sharing the photos, Fred!

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:49 PM

Hey Mike,

You think that gear's close... HO 4 wheel independent to follow... :blink:
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:56 PM

Boy, he must not of been too impressed with the smoothness of any of the slot car tracks back in the '60s... :)

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:08 PM

Yikes, that's wonderful.

I don't care how well it worked, or even if it worked at all... that's amazing!

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:12 PM

HO, HO, HO... :laugh2:

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:13 PM

That's amazing! That big picture loses perspective on how small that car really is. Incredible craftsmanship!

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:23 PM

Amazing! VERY cool. It doesn't matter if it was a good "racer" or not, just BUILDING the thing was a triumph!
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:35 PM

Ouch... my eyes hurts from looking at these beauties! :swoon: :swoon: :swoon: ...

Welcome back, Roy. :P
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 03:04 PM

:shok: Nice work. Really amazing.

Fred, thank you for the photos.

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