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#1 Uncle Fred

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 09:54 AM

UNBELIEVABLE!:shok:

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:01 AM

Even if this chassis is from the "golden age" (at least based on the body and the motor in it) and may not have worked as well as the prevailing technology at the time, it is very humbling to look at the engineering thought and workmanship that went it the building of it.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:13 AM

One of the nicest period cars I have seen. And remarkable workmanship, The body would date the car to 1967, but the motor could date it a year earlier.

So was the original body that same Eagle or was it something else?


Love that anti-sway bar that goes around the Weldun crown gear... The Ulrich wheels look great, too. A splendid example of teenage learned talent.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:29 AM

Man, that's really nice work. :good:

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:33 AM

I think the car was built in '66 or '67.

If I remember correctly Roy only made a couple of laps before a half shaft broke and a wheel came flying off! He seems to have epoxied the half shafts together for strength. The front inboard coil springs and bulkhead are most impressive.

I think that the Eagle was the original body.

Phillipe, maybe you should plan a trip north to SF to see it in person?
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:09 AM

Maybe we can talk Roy into paying us a visit at the LASCM where he can see several of his old cars... :)

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:49 AM

WOW! What a car. So many more details the more you look!

Those Ulrich wheels are not that wide which means I believe he had to remove the inner lip to get bigger meats on (done this myself a few times). How about those bearings on the inner axle carrier! Looks like outboard ones are there but it's hard to tell. Wonderful wire routing. What is that red thing attached to the endbell?

To my eye everything looks perfectly scaled.

Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:06 PM

I think Roy thought he was posting this:

The 1967 Gurney Weslake Eagle has got to be my favorite F1 car. It was the only F1 car to be designed, built and driven to a F1 victory (the Belgium GP) by and American. In a Road and Track article a few years back, that featured Dan Gurney and the car, the article states that the Weslake Eagle is arguably the "most beautiful F1 car ever built".

I was always inclined to the mechanical aspects of the cars that we modeled in 1/24 scale. This particular car was inspired by the Eagle that Jose Rodriguez built for the NAMRA series in 1967/1968. Jose was a great one for detail.

What a beauty! I wanted to build one, too. Unfortunately, for my car, I never had the time to paint and detail the body. I wasn't sure how I would model the exhaust system, with the top of the rear suspension springs being so high.

I built the chassis in three weeks, during the summer between my freshman and sophomore years in college. I started the project by drawing the chassis at 2:1 scale (drawing being two times the actual model). I took measurements of the Lancer body to make sure that the front suspension and rear trailing arms exited the body at the right locations. The rear suspension has six ball bearings, two half-shafts, four universal joints, working anti-sway bar (adjustable), coil over "shocks", adjustable spring compression (by turning the threaded washer at the top of the shock), and adjustable ride height (by turning the spring). Since I really don't have shocks, the spring compresses in the upward and downward motion, so as to act like a shock absorber.

The front suspension has pseudo rack and pinion steering. The guide is mounted on an arm. As the guide move off of the center of the slot, the rack turns the front wheels towards the slot, centering the car in the lane. The front coil-over "shocks" works the same way as the rear. The guide also drops.


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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:10 PM

... adjustable shocks and rack and pinion steering... :o :wub:
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:32 PM

Now we know that is not going in any tumbler.;)
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:37 PM

Hi,

Much nicer than the one I did! Mine was a scale Lotus 18. Didn't work. Sigh.

But sometimes ya gotta build. Thanks for the photos!

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:56 PM

Man, could he fabricate.

What a craftsman.

Among other things, look at how tight that crown gear fits in the rear.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:16 PM

Yeah, Roy read Noose's advice on gear-mesh settings... :)

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:21 PM

Not to be picky but there doesn't appear to be any top mounts for the rear coil-overs. With nothing to hold the springs the suspension would have just bottomed out.

A wheel came off? Guess the slot car version of rules didn't require full floating rear hubs. :)

It is beautiful workmanship!
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:36 PM

An amazing car, and I'm very glad to get a closeup! There was an article about a NAMRA race with a photo of a suspension car by Roy, but don't know if it was this one, and it was way too small to see any details.

Everything I love in a slot car...

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:42 PM

Don,

Apparently Roy never finished the car, so the one at the NAMRA race must be the one currently surviving as a chassis at the LASCM.

With Roy's help, maybe I will be able to get it back together some day...

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:43 PM

The craftsmanship and detail are amazing!

Thank you for sharing the photos, Fred!

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:49 PM

Hey Mike,

You think that gear's close... HO 4 wheel independent to follow... :blink:
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:56 PM

Boy, he must not of been too impressed with the smoothness of any of the slot car tracks back in the '60s... :)

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:08 PM

Yikes, that's wonderful.

I don't care how well it worked, or even if it worked at all... that's amazing!

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:12 PM

HO, HO, HO... :laugh2:

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:13 PM

That's amazing! That big picture loses perspective on how small that car really is. Incredible craftsmanship!

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:23 PM

Amazing! VERY cool. It doesn't matter if it was a good "racer" or not, just BUILDING the thing was a triumph!
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:35 PM

Ouch... my eyes hurts from looking at these beauties! :swoon: :swoon: :swoon: ...

Welcome back, Roy. :P
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 03:04 PM

:shok: Nice work. Really amazing.

Fred, thank you for the photos.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 03:31 PM

I am getting a real kick out of reading this blog. Thanks for all your generous comments.

Thanks to Uncle Fred for posting the photos.

I see the workmanship of many other builders and drivers on Slotblog and I am very impressed as well.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 05:08 PM

Wow - intense labor. I think Captain Rick has a new challenge!

What was Roy's last name please.

Thanks,

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 05:19 PM

Ken, look at the thread title. That's Wong as in "Roy Wong".

Famous NAMRA racer in the mid-1960s, friend of Howie, Jose, Joe Neumeister, etc. :)

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 06:24 PM

That 1/24 NAMRA F1 today. By the way, I beat Roy in F1 that year and yes the numbers are hand painted!

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 07:01 PM

Roy absolutely beautiful, :wub: this cars belong in a Museum that's for sure, thanks for sharing those pictures.
Mr. Wong are you still building cars?


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Posted 07 September 2010 - 07:05 PM

I love Work For Work's Sake, just doing because it's cool to be doing it...this is wondrous. Thanks for posting.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 07:33 PM

It's great seeing these iconic cars in color. Rick Thigpen (dc-65x) posted the original 1968 NAMRA Race Report and pics of the #7 Eagle F1 over here. :popcorm1:
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:46 PM

WOW that is really amazing skill to build something like that.
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Posted 08 September 2010 - 12:40 AM

Roy, I am loving these cars and you being on Slotblog.
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Posted 08 September 2010 - 01:12 AM

Many many thanks for sharing these photos........Really UNBELIEVABLE :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:





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Posted 10 September 2010 - 10:49 AM

I like how Howie discribes Roy's car........"A fantasy build".......:)
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:49 PM

HO, HO, HO... :laugh2:

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wHEN ROY SHOWED UP WITH THIS AT BERNIES(GLEN OAKS RACEWAY IN QUEENS NEW YORK) IT BLEW US AWAY,THIS WA WHEN HE HAD JUST STOPPED RACING 1/24 I BELIEVE JUST BEFORE COLLEGE,HE DID SHOW ME AND MY FRIENDS HIS NEWEST INVENTION ALSO BLEW OUR MINDS A 1/24 BAT PAN FULL SIDEWINDER WITH AN IDLER GEAR THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CHASSIS I HAVE EVER SEEN.THEN POOF ROY WAS GONE,RUMORED TO BE IN ENGINEERING SCHOOL IN CALIFORNIA.
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Posted 14 March 2016 - 04:07 PM

Just in case new members haven't seen this yet...Bump!


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Posted 14 March 2016 - 05:20 PM

Wow, thanks for "bump"ing this thread...

 

Absolutely breathtaking work here...!!!

 

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Posted 15 March 2016 - 10:45 AM

Thank you Bob. Humbling to view such masters. This guy is a pretty complete package. Engineer, fabricator and driver? Wow! NOW I'm impressed.


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 11:00 AM

Besides the sexy vintage Ferrari 330 P3, this chassis is a very close second best ever slot item?

:shok:    :swoon:   :drinks:


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 11:41 AM

A few year ago I visited Roy in SF and he said I could have all these cars (And others) if I wanted!  I jump back like he was offering me the Crown Jewels!!! Naturally I declined.........


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 04:01 PM

The car in post #29. Is that construction still used in F1 today. Yes, I don't road race but love the car. Anyway if so...is there something it's called or class to identify with?


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 05:34 PM

Marty,

 

The chassis looks similar to Jail Door Grand Prix. Just has a solid drop arm instead of one built up from brass rod.

http://irraslotracin...rev-1-final.pdf


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Posted 17 March 2016 - 09:50 AM

Marty,

 

The chassis looks similar to Jail Door Grand Prix. Just has a solid drop arm instead of one built up from brass rod.

http://irraslotracin...rev-1-final.pdf

Yes it does. Thanks Sam. Is this class still being run?


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Posted 17 March 2016 - 08:37 PM

In IRRA Retro East they try to get a Jail Door race in if time allows. Always Sports Car though since more guys own them.

 

Build it and they will come. If you stick to the posted build rules there is more of a chance of getting enough racers for a race.


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Posted 17 March 2016 - 09:56 PM

I don't know if you know this Sam but I don't turn left, or right. Drag racer. Just love the builds. Have a Vdub I thought might be able to use this type of chassis. Then again I like F1 and Indy.


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:47 AM

A few year ago I visited Roy in SF and he said I could have all these cars (And others) if I wanted!  I jump back like he was offering me the Crown Jewels!!! Naturally I declined.........

fred,ask him if he would donate them to the museum for the world to appreciate his greatness and his great engineering genious.
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 08:23 AM

Bruce, I'm due to reach out to Roy and will ask him.  He got back into racing for a brief while running Flexi's at Eddies but stopped after the brutal SF traffic got the best of him.  I'm sure he would donate his historic chassis........actually when I visited him he offered me ALL of them! 


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:57 AM

He offered them to you because you are the perfect statesman,and you guys were close and he realized the value was higher that others who appreciated them (fans) deserved them just as,an artist creates not just to store his art but his expression of his art is to be appreciated and it gives exponentially when it is shared.

I hope to be able to see his chassis which had such impact on me viewing such workmanship by a youngster gave me a high bar to strive to,that youngsters such as myself can achieve like that (not just adults), (and I hope to recreate that chassis as a symbol for myself).I and the rest of us old timers appreciate your effort in reaching out to Roy and reconnecting Roy to his roots and all of us,thanks again,Fred ( we anxiously await photos,and or donation at ions to the museum where they can always be viewed).G D BLESS.
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