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Posted 14 October 2010 - 03:42 PM

V8 and V12 Engines in Miniature!

For all you out there who like big, honking V8s and screamin' V12 engines, check out these tiny versions that you could run on your workbench or kitchen table. These models were built by craftsmen the same way the big ones are made, by machining billet stock and castings, but in miniature. These are not just models that look like engines, they are real running engines.

Some of these photos were taken from the Joe Martin Foundation Craftsmanship Museum web site at the Craftsmanship Museum, but many more images can be found elsewhere on the web, and engines like these can be seen in person at model engineering shows around the country. Here are some really nice examples:

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The late Lee Root built this 1/4 scale Corvette engine. The major components were machined entirely from solid billet aluminum that has been bead blasted to look like castings, and it will turn 18,000 RPM! The coin you see in some of the photos for size reference is a US quarter. The valve covers are just 4-1/2" long, and the miniature spark plugs are commercially available.

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This 1/3 scale billet machined, supercharged Chrysler 300 Hemi racing engine from the 1960s was built by James Weber. It has a 1.0" bore and 0.90" stroke, displacing 5.65 cubic inches. The engine burns gasoline or methanol (methyl alcohol) on dual electronic spark ignition and incorporates a two-stage pressurized dry-sump lubrication system. You can see and hear video of it running HERE. It will turn around 12 grand and uses a couple of computer cooling fans on the radiator to keep things cool. Note the professional-looking throttle and gauges on the stand.

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Here's a V8 and a half; a 1/4 scale Ferrari V12 by Jeron Classic Motors. It has double overhead camshafts, burns methanol on glow ignition, and is equipped with two oil pumps for dry sump lubrication. All six carburetors function and are linked together for smooth operation. The heads and block are about 7-1/4" long. Only a few of these were made before the company went out of business, so it's pretty rare. Like many of the engines you see here, it is on loan to the Craftsmanship Museum courtesy of Paul and Paula Knapp and their Miniature Engineering Museum.

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Here's another twelve. The late Al Ingersol built this Curtiss D-12D 1/6 scale V12 airplane engine completely from billet stock and also built a model Curtiss Wright P6E biplane to put it in. The engine is only 9" long and weighs 6 pounds. It has a 0.80" bore and 1.062" stroke, displacing 6.46 cubic inches.

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One of the more popular model V8 engines over the years has been the Challenger. This one was built by Ron Colonna. Casting kits are still available for this 1/3 scale engine through Coles Power Models, although it is definitely not a beginner project.

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Several V8 engines by Ken Hurst are displayed at a model engineering shows like the recent Western Engine Model Exhibition (WEME) in Vallejo, CA. How about that supercharger! Behind the first engine is his blue Challenger V8. The 103 cc engine sounds great running on a mixture of white gas and high octane racing fuel.

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Eugene Corl built this 1/3 scale Chevy V8 using engine castings he produced himself. The engine is seen here at the Gas Engine Antique Reproduction Show (GEARS) in Portland, OR.

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Seen above are some of the wooden patterns, molds, cores, and raw castings that had to be made to build Gene's 1/3 scale Chevy V8. Once cast, the parts must be precisely machined just like real engine components. When you look at one of these finished little engines, keep in mind all the planning, preparation, fixturing, and behind-the-scenes work that goes into making one.

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The three photos above show the world's smallest known running Chevrolet V8. Jim Moyer built this 1/6 scale version of a 1964 365 HP Chevrolet Corvette 327. Note the tiny firing order cast into the intake manifold just like on the real thing. The heads and block are machined from billet aluminum. Jim even made stamping dies to make the oil pan, rockers and front cover. The valve covers are investment cast.

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The finished 1/6 scale five-bearing crankshaft fits in Jim's hand. It utilizes real Babbitt bearings.

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Here you can see the cylinder heads of the Moyer 327 plus the stamped oil pan and front cover. Some parts inside the engines are made to scale like the 30-30 Duntov camshaft, but some things have to be modified to make a small engine run. Electricity and fuel molecules don't scale, so some parts have to be slightly heavier or larger than exact scale would dictate. Getting a small engine to run requires skill and careful work; getting one to run well is an art.

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Here's a shot of Jim's tiny Corvette V8 being test run. You can view a video of it running on his website HERE. He is now working on a 1/6 scale Chevy 409.

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Gary Conley came up with the 1/4 scale Conley V8 in the 1980s. This version has twin carbs. You could buy it as a kit or as a completed engine. Gary is now building what he calls the "Stinger 609" V8 that will soon be available as a complete running engine. Gary's site is Conley Precision where he has video of a supercharged Stinger 609 running in a 1/4 scale dragster. Impressive!

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Paul Knapp built this great looking version of the Conley V8. It runs twin carbs on a fully functional Roots style 671 blower and will turn 12,000 RPM on methanol. Note the nicely painted and highly polished finishes on this beautiful engine. (Did you notice that the ignition switch even has its own set of keys like a real engine?)

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A Cirrus V8 by Profi M.E. of the Ukraine is based on the Merritt Zimmerman design. The exposed rocker arms need to be manually lubricated before running the engine. Again, note the really nice finishes on every part.

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This is one of only six air-cooled Micro Cirrus 1/12 scale V8s produced by Profi M.E. using the components from a run of four-cylinder Micro Cirrus engines. Six water-cooled versions were also built. The cylinder heads on this rare V8 are only about 2" long. Note the size of the quarter at the bottom of the photo. This thing is TINY!

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This 87 cc V12 by Martin Ohrendorf of Germany has a 21 mm bore and stroke, 24 exposed rocker arms, and three carbs. It will spin a 24/10 propeller at 4500 RPM. One just like it can be seen running on YouTube.

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This scale 426 Hemi V8 by Roger Butzen was made by using parts of a plastic model kit for reference. This one, however, is all metal and it RUNS! Only the air cleaner decal from the plastic kit made it to the final running version.

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Here is another Challenger V8 at the WEME show in Vallejo. This one was built by Dick Pretel and sports triple carbs. Starter, batteries, and other peripherals are hidden in the wooden base. It even has carrying handles! Big fins on the valve covers help with cooling.

The Joe Martin Foundation for Exceptional Craftsmanship has a machine shop in their museum in Vista, CA, where they are currently building a miniature Howell V4 engine. They have documented the build step-by-step so you can see what it takes to put together a running miniature engine. Please point out this thread to every motorhead you know. The craftsmen who build these little beauties deserve plenty of recognition.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 03:57 PM

What??? NO flathead Fords??? LOL. Excellent.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 04:27 PM

I've seen some of these before but several are very special! Thanks.

I would like to see a 1/4 scale rotary engine!

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 04:56 PM

They are beautiful...

I think it was on here I saw a video link to a supercharged scale V8 in action... talk about a sweet smallblock!

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 05:31 PM

Put up a link so we could here them run.
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 05:46 PM

I agree, I could not find the link to hear this gorgeous engines.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 06:38 PM





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Posted 14 October 2010 - 06:39 PM





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Posted 14 October 2010 - 06:44 PM

Yeah, Steve... that last one was the one I remember... love its bark.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 06:50 PM

Fantastic!
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Posted 25 November 2010 - 05:51 PM

I've seen some of these before but several are very special! Thanks.

I would like to see a 1/4 scale rotary engine!


Me too!

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 02:29 AM

Here's a link to my friend Ray Williams site:
http://modelrotaryflyer.tripod.com/

The guy is an amazing craftsman!
So far, he has built 3 WWI era fully functional rotary engines.

He scratch built all of the aircraft models as well...

About a month ago, I shot the video of his test flight of his new Vickers F.B.5 "Gunbus" that's at the bottom of the home page.

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 06:01 AM

Probably you have seen this Ferrari model? http://www.youtube.c...h?v=SeUMDY01uUA
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Posted 28 November 2010 - 11:38 PM

Probably you have seen this Ferrari model? http://www.youtube.c...h?v=SeUMDY01uUA

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I saw this last year....SWEET SOUNDING MOTOR.....

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 01:07 PM

Here's a link to my friend Ray Williams site:
http://modelrotaryflyer.tripod.com/

The guy is an amazing craftsman!
So far, he has built 3 WWI era fully functional rotary engines.

He scratch built all of the aircraft models as well...

About a month ago, I shot the video of his test flight of his new Vickers F.B.5 "Gunbus" that's at the bottom of the home page.



That's very pretty work, but those are Radial engines, not rotary engines.

There's a difference. Radial engines have pistons, cylinders and valves just like a regular inline or Vee engine, whereas rotary engines have a tri-lobe rotor that runs in a single combustion chamber with no valving other than the blanking effect of the rotor itself.
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Posted 29 November 2010 - 02:37 PM

That's very pretty work, but those are Radial engines, not rotary engines.

There's a difference. Radial engines have pistons, cylinders and valves just like a regular inline or Vee engine, whereas rotary engines have a tri-lobe rotor that runs in a single combustion chamber with no valving other than the blanking effect of the rotor itself.


Big Difference! LOL

Mazda's LeMans winning 26B Rotary engine:

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Not a bad feat to win Lemans with a roughly 2.6L normally aspirated engine, with no pistons, valves or cams!

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 05:02 PM

That's very pretty work, but those are Radial engines, not rotary engines.

There's a difference. Radial engines have pistons, cylinders and valves just like a regular inline or Vee engine, whereas rotary engines have a tri-lobe rotor that runs in a single combustion chamber with no valving other than the blanking effect of the rotor itself.



Dennis...you are correct, they are beautiful, but...you're kidding, right!? ;) Guys who have designed, built and flown "Rotary" aircraft engines for almost a hundred years have been wrong all this time??? :rolleyes: :)

I believe you have "Radial" confused with "Rotary" Aircraft engines...

A Radial, as you have mentioned, has a fixed block and cylinders...the crankshaft rotates as does the prop. There are still a lot of Radial engined aircraft flying...WWII Warbirds for example.

A Rotary Aircraft engine has a crankshaft that is fixed...bolted to the airframe, and the prop is attached to the case and cylinders, which rotate around the crankshaft. WWI type like Sopwith Camel, Fokker Triplane, etc.
http://en.wikipedia....i/Rotary_engine

No question that Felix Wankel's masterpiece is also a "rotary" engine...just a different type...and one that came along much later.
http://www.fantasyca...s16_rotary.html

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 05:27 PM

I stand corrected!

Thanks for the links and the education!
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Posted 29 November 2010 - 05:48 PM

I stand corrected!

Thanks for the links and the education!



You're welcome B) :D
I hope I didn't come across as brusque in my previous post...if so, that was not my intention...

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 06:10 PM

No problems from my end - I was worried about the same thing when I posted the first post!

I had always known about the engines where the crankshaft was stationary and the cylinders rotated (a nice way to get some forced air cooling, I guess?), but I did not realize that they were given a different name to distinguish them from those where the crankshaft rotates.

Can you imagine the torque reaction from that amount of mass rotating when you raise the tail wheel on those short old WW1 planes? The gyroscopic precession must have been enormous, and then the planes had little to no rudder either.

Those WW1 pilots must have had "very large attachments" (quote from David Hobbs on Speed Channel).
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Posted 30 November 2010 - 11:11 AM

What phenomenal craftsmanship!

Thanks for sharing the pix, Greg!!

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 12:17 PM

Hi,

The usual convention is to call Wankel Rotaries "Wankel Rotaries". I have a .3 cu.in. model airplane version.

There are a handful of true rotaries still flying out there, usually in restored or replica Fokkers and Camels. Though I THINK the Sopwith 1-1/2 strutter used in various movies still has a rotary, most of the restored and replica rotary powered aircraft have fixed more-modern radials in them.

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 02:46 PM

Wow, that Ferrari is beautiful!

Hey, Jeff, long time since we have talked. I always wondered about the "rotorranch" in your email address. Now I know why.

I used to autocross a Mazda RX2 back in 1972. In our sports car club's nine-race series I had two firsts, six seconds, and one third. Had a blast and almost wore out the hood latch showing people the little motor!

Thanks, guys, for all the neat posts!

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 09:44 PM

Hiya Barn! It has been a minute, huh?

And here all these years I thought my avatar would make the email and screen name self explanatory! :wink3: :laugh2:

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