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#1 ravajack

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 12:45 PM

The Dynamic ”DynaBrute” is so far, and still, the only production anglewinder slot racing car in HO.
The DynaBrute was presented nearly 40 years ago, in the beginning of 1971. (Check here and here).

But the anglewinder concept in HO was tried and proven long before the DynaBrute.
Already in June 1969 did this car from Kansas City show up in the Model Car Science magazine:

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Another HO AW creation showed up in Car Model in August 1970, this time from Canada:

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Tom Malone shows how to build a HO AW from scratch in the same issue of Car Model, August 1970:

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Next up: A HO AW victory report from Parma Raceway in Car Model, October 1970.

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Dale Flanagan reports yet another HO AW in his column in Car Model in November 1970:

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An entirely new concept... The DynaBrute debuts in march 1971, with ads in the Car Model and Model Car Science magazines:

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How to convert a Boss Riggen to a HO anglewinder is shown by Ed Bianchi in Car Model, October 1972,

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Car Model's Jose Rodriguez reveals in December 1972 that also Tyco had an early production HO AW car in the works:

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 07:13 PM

I am studying this like its the Dead Sea Scrolls. :D
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 10:55 PM

re: 1970 CM articles. I was racing these type cars months before the magazine came out. About a month after the TycoPig ahhh. . .I mean TycoPro came out, I had anglewinders running in HOUROC races. Ran them until the AFX came out.
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Posted 02 November 2010 - 08:14 AM

Bertil,
After designing the Riggen HO car for Al Riggen and after I left the company after a dispute, I was asked by Hiram Johnson at Dynamic to design an HO car for them. I built the prototype that you can see in this ad:

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The car as you can see has... Riggen front wheels and guide!
Once completed, it ran great. Then I left.
By the time Dynamic was done with the tooling, the thing had become a horrid, bloated pile...
Here is one I built for MAR that still exists, and that ran REALLY nicely:

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 12:08 PM

Hi

I lost mine somewhere. I only have a few remains of the tyco pro cobra I had that was just because it was a Cobra, but not the serious chassis. No real racing locally, I was doing it just because I could.

But we have had that conversation, Philippe.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 12:25 PM

PDL,

I built a pan anglewinder for Tom "Pumpkin Man" Lowden back when we were running at Buzzy's. The bottom pan held the motor and guide and the top was held to the bottom with 2 champion motor screws which was set to rattle around. The body and fronts on a dropped front axle were attached to it. It was actually quite good but never could get brakes because of the gears. I wish I had a picture. But unless Fred Strauss took one none would exist as I was too poor to have camera never mind pay for developing pictures. LOL....

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 01:03 PM

Fred may well have a pic... I was lucky, I had a Soviet built Zenith camera and took a lot of pictures before the thing began losing bits... :)

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 02:22 PM

Here's one from back in the day. Certus made a few of these, just the bare chassis. I don't recall how I came up with the friction drive. It was simply a short bit of surgical tubing sold as model airplane fuel line stretched out over a Tyco pinion gear, against AJs silicon tires.

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On many tracks it was no good but on the Aurora tub track this car was king, and dominated the weekly races at G&G in the spring of 1972, I think. A tub is only nine or ten feet long and the start line was at the beginning of the straight. I would always be last going into the first corner and first by the the end of the first lap. Then it was set sail - see ya, boys! It was so smooth and easy to drive, plus it just hustled through the esses compared to all the rest.

Then came the summer break and upon return for the fall race season to find a new 16 foot long speedway with big long straights. Plus I think the AFX came out about then, and the Certus anglewinder was done. An old friend who is an avid collector has been hanging on to some of my old junk, and has offered to send me the Faller car that I raced with some success back then plus some "other stuff" I hope, hope, hope that other stuff is the remains of this car. :)
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Posted 02 November 2010 - 05:52 PM

Here it is with the body, a Lancer BRM. Not all bodies fit on anglewinders, then and now.

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And what I play with now.

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 09:40 PM

The first two prototype of the Tyco Mk II were built & running in 1969.

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 07:20 AM

Boy, there's a lot of crazy-cool cars in the above...but it got me to wondering. It doesn't seem like it should be all that hard to make a screamer of a motor for these things (with the right parts)...but how in god's name do you keep the things on the track without the crutch, er...I mean "aid" of other devices like magnets and such????

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 03:59 PM

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Look what Pat "Mister Tyco Pro" is making today. I know you're into motors.
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Posted 03 April 2011 - 05:06 PM

I got to see one of the Dynamic Dyna-Brutes today what a nice pice, I wanted to buy it after taking a close look at it.

The $300 price made me pass on it but I sure liked it.
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Posted 04 April 2011 - 05:17 AM

Hey, thanks for the link, John... VERY cool!

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 01:01 PM

Boy, there's a lot of crazy-cool cars in the above...but it got me to wondering. It doesn't seem like it should be all that hard to make a screamer of a motor for these things (with the right parts)...but how in god's name do you keep the things on the track without the crutch, er...I mean "aid" of other devices like magnets and such????

-john

John,

Per the rules of the class and the technology of the time, the same things that keep Retro cars on the track...a chassis with the proper main rail spring connecting the back (motor/rear axle bracket) to the front (guide pin/front axle bracket) with side pans allowed a certain motion (bat pans or shaker). I used bat pans on a plumber hinge back in the day.

Once you have the proportions right for the track (guide pin lead from the rear axle, etc.) and the fore-to-aft weight distribution right, these things really do move out on even the older "clickety-clack" T-jet sectional tracks and even better on today's routed large section tracks. I copied those proportions from other people who were successful and made a few lucky guesses on the lead placement and found my cars were competitive, even as a teenager, in the old HOPRA series races.

With today's pinion and crown availability along with the awesome quality of today's silicone skinned sponge tires (in almost any diameter desired), these older cars are a hoot to drive on today's tracks! I think they would work with a lot less bat pan (or shaker) motion than we needed for the old bumpy tracks.

In fact, I was able to use arms that were simply too fast for any track we ran (back in the day) on some of today's tracks when we started a Riggen / Brass Wars class here locally in CO some years back. The Riggens ran pretty well and I discovered that the old .003 phosphorus bronze wiper material that we used was not necessary. I made some pickups out of .0025 brass shim stock and they worked really well (again, on today's nice "rounted" tracks) surviving through practice and a six lane race without wearing through. The thinner material provided great contact and driveability without the pickups trying to bounce the car out of the slot.

The new motors that Pat Dennis has been working on are really cool but I have to believe it is a pretty limited market...which means they will likely be pretty expensive. They do offer a nice, tidy package and the sidewinder concept is intriguing. But I doubt that it will be faster than the motors currently available just because there have been decades of ongoing development.

I heard a story from my good friend, Nelson Swanberg (a Doug Morris "hired gun" driver for the latest MI gravity race) that one fellow is making HO cars powered by a digital camera lens focus motor and it ran quite well.

These old "gravity" cars maintain the things that I enjoyed about racing - scratch building and the challenge of driving them fast. The magnet cars just don't do it for me and never have.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 07:28 PM

Does anyone have a copy of the "original" HOPRA rules from the '70s?

I've tried briefly to look through my Car Model magazine collections, but didn't find anything.

Thanks,

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 08:52 AM

Charlie, the earliest HOPRA rules I've seen archived are from the late '70's when it was already all about the magnets, should be posted here on slotblog somewhere. The BRASCAR rules (still a bit of a work in progress, and in the spirit of HO racing 1970-73) are at www.brascar.org . Additions and improvements coming to that site soon!
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Posted 30 July 2011 - 05:29 PM

Thanks Pat,

I checked out the BrasCar site and looked at the rules. Seems the other "features" aren't active at this time, so I'll check back later.

I never had/raced a brass car, other than an TycoPro, but they have always picked my interest since reading about them online. I would like to build and have a race with these cars, so that why I'm researching them. I race with the Central ohio HO Racing Association and our two main classes are T-jet based - stock and superstock ECCHOR rule cars. here's a link to my latest track - a 6-lane TKO.

http://web.me.com/ho...Racer/Home.html

I'll do some more searching for the HOPRA rules and keep checking back here.

Thanks again, Charlie

Charlie, the earliest HOPRA rules I've seen archived are from the late '70's when it was already all about the magnets, should be posted here on slotblog somewhere. The BRASCAR rules (still a bit of a work in progress, and in the spirit of HO racing 1970-73) are at www.brascar.org . Additions and improvements coming to that site soon!



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 12:17 AM

I made a small motor by cutting down a FF can for a stock tyco arm and a slottech panther endbell .I did it this way to use the

wide variety of armature winds . Just cut the magnets to .400 long and cut the can length to match the endbell for correct brush

contact and attach .Goes like stink in a 1/32 formula 1 car with a 2.6 ohm arm .



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Posted 25 February 2016 - 03:13 PM

Makes me want to dig out the old Dremel and start building...


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