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#1 Pablo

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 05:15 PM

Finished April 2011:

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Here's where it all started:

I guess I can figure this out, but if anybody has a copy of instructions for this box of parts, I would like to beg or buy a copy biggrin.gif

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As always, I appreciate any and all input to help me build a complete car for my friend Speedy. I want to make it as correct as possible.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 05:24 PM

Buzco Plumber Chassis Kit in the box (price $4.95) that looks like it had been partially built.



Partially built :shok: Looks like a box full of parts to me?



Anyway can't wait to follow the build

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 06:07 PM

By "partially built" I meant some of the parts have been bent, tinned, cut, and as you can see, one axle tube has been assembled with BB's installed. There are two brackets, one steel that has been soldered to, and one brass that looks virgin. So, yes, It has, indeed, been "partially built". :D

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 07:02 PM

Hi Pablo,

I'm not familiar with the Buzco kit but I do have a Dynamic kit. I see what looks like a lot of
Dynamic parts in the mix:

Motor box
Motor box bracket
Rear bearing holders

The drop arm looks like a Buzco and the pans don't look like my Dynamic kit.

Wish I could help.....

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 07:37 PM

Thanks, Rick. I will be needing your expertise on this, for sure !!!!!

This project is on "Hold" due to a need for further investigation.

Please, everybody, do not post until I give the word. Thanks !

:)

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 07:38 PM

I also thought it looked similar to a Dynamic kit.

IIRC,the Dynamic kit was called or least referenced a "Z-Bend" rail.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 07:40 PM

Thanks, Mike. :)

I'm waiting to hear from Speedy before I proceed.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 08:04 PM

I also thought it looked similar to a Dynamic kit.

"Buzz" Cohen (BuzCo) and Hiram Johnson (Dynamic) were friends and neighbors in North Hollywood. Both chassis kits, issued in 1970, are are actually entirely different in design and detail. The Dynamic had its "plumber" rails hinged from ahead of the front axle, the BuzCo was more ancient and had the rails behind the front axle. The BuzCo had a solid brass narrow drop arm while the Dynamic had a wide "built-up" wire and brass-plate drop arm and different side pans design.

IIRC,the Dynamic kit was called or least referenced a "Z-Bend" rail.

"Big Z" was the name given to the kit because of the Z-shaped reinforcing wire in the built-up drop arm. The "Big Z" chassis kit listed for $4.95. Jack Garcia was its designer. by the time the chassis kit came onto the market, replacing the two inline # 461 (GP) and #463 (Sports) "Sano" frames issued in 1968, then the # 464 angle-winder issued in 1969, the progress train had long been by and had not stopped awaiting Dynamic's production... :D

The Big Z chassis kit is a bit hard to find, while the #464 kit comes up time to time.
Both were actually not that bad as far as what they offered as they handled quite well for the time, but both were very heavy, and if one added the Mura motor, itself not a lightweight, the competed car could easily weigh 5.5 to 6oz... marshals, please wear protective hand and head gear! :laugh2:

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 08:18 PM

# 461 (GP) and #463 (Sports) "Sano" frames issued in 1968,

They stole the name of my race 42 yrs. ago. :shok:

Once I invent my Time Machine,they're going to have hell to pay. :rolleyes:

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 08:28 PM

The label on the box is torn, but I can see "845"

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 08:29 PM

Once I invent my Time Machine,they're going to have hell to pay. :rolleyes:



Ummmm, next summer we should take a ride to my summer property in the Aposle Islands and I'll intoduce you to a guy that has spent millions of his familly fortune trying to invent one. Should provide a good head start :laugh2: Unless you can't wait than in a month or so we can take the wind sled across Lake Superior. Even though powered by a Big Bloc Chevy, it's still a trip from hell


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Posted 12 November 2010 - 08:39 PM

They stole the name of my race 42 yrs. ago. public/style_emoticons/default/shok.gif

Once I invent my Time Machine,they're going to have hell to pay. public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif

Well, after living their rather uh, busy lives, they MIGHT be in hell already! :laugh2:

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 09:31 PM

Lookie what I found Pablo. :) This ad is from Car Model Magazine Aug. 1969.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 11:18 PM

...and the Dynamic Big Z chassis:

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and the Big Z drop arm

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 07:46 AM

The buzco looks a lot like the cars we were building at one time. I am sure it would work pretty well, but I am sure like most chassis kits and rtr chassis they were obsolete by the time they came out because guys like Emott, Steube, Brady, etc were changing the game just about every race...

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 09:30 AM

Thanks Capt. Rick !!!

Looks like a good "warmup" before I finally tackle the Lee Gilbert :D

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 09:40 AM

Really having fun watching this. I was whining this AM about all my time going into prepping & racing, and no Recreational builds, Peryod-Korrekt or not. Gonna swing back that way, a little, right after this weekend.
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 10:01 AM

Duffy,

Yep, there are several of us sitting back and watching what looks like it will be an absolutely awesome build - Pablo is like that you know!

Of course I've never been one to build 'something for the shelf' or for 'show and tell'. When I look at this chassis, I see something that could be a real blast to race!

Take a right side drive motor - I would suggest the TSRF Homeset motor - put some .500 wide rear tires - orange or blue of course - and a very early Can-Am body on the car. It would be similar to a Jaildoor in performance, lots of fun and probably a very close class.
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 11:55 AM

Thanks Capt. Rick !!!

Looks like a good "warmup" before I finally tackle the Lee Gilbert :D


You're welcome Pablo. I'm glad I found that ad for you.

The Lee Gilbert replica chassis is ready to send whenever you'd like it.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 07:22 PM

I'm starting the "Parts Gathering" phase tonight :D
This is where I'm going to really appreciate a lot of help from my friends.
I'm going to take my time on this one.

I opened up my vintage motor drawer and found some real relics. Would any of these be korrect, Dokktor ?

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How about wheels ? Too many choices........Help Rick ! :D In the late 60's my local raceway was CLOSED, and a trip to LA was too far for a Schwinn Sting Ray !! :blink:

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 07:43 PM

What would be a good body ?
I can't even start soldering until I have a body :D

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 07:57 PM

At the time, the most popular body was the Russkit Elfin, but I do not know if there are reproductions made. Next would be a Lola T70 or a McLaren M8A or B... these one can find. :)

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 08:20 PM

Thank You, Sir.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 08:37 PM

Body will be an Electric Dreams McLaren M8A.
That was easy :)
While I was surfing around in there, I also ordered some Champion Super Flex lead wire :D

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 08:49 PM

Pablo build it and race it and it will be all good! :)
If you don't want to race it, ;) there is a Official Race Crash Dummy who would! :laugh2:


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