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[Ken Bryan]

OK, I don't pretend to be a student of 1:1 race cars. I know more about slot cars than I do historic cars.

But this year I want to do a race where we each decorate a car like a real 1969 Can Am car.

Step 1 -- I went to JP Van Rossem's site where he lists all the cars that (he says) raced in 1969. I want to use this as my basis because he has a picture of each car.

Step 2 -- I made up a spreadsheet of all the cars listed. I condensed it a little by leaving off some of the sub-car distinctions (the A's and B's off the Mclaren M6 and M8, for example)

I came up with 19 cars that raced in 1969. 17 are open cockpit. 2 are coupes:

Autocoast Ti-22
Chaparral 2H
Ferrari 312P Berlinetta (coupe)
Ferrari 612P
Ferrari 712P
Ford G7A
Lola T162/163
Lola T70
Lola T70 Coupe
Matra-Simca MS650
McKee Mk10
McLaren Elva M1
McLaren M12
McLaren M6
McLaren M8
McLeagle M6B
Open Sports Ford
Porsche 908-02 Spyder
Porsche 917 PA

Step 3 -- I went to the D3 site to figure out how many of these have legal D3 bodies available. I had to give a little. Lola T-160 covers for the 162 and 163 versions of 1969. I discovered that 10 of the 19 cars were "covered" in the legal list one way or another

Autocoast Ti-22
Chaparral 2H
Ferrari 612P
Lola T162/163
Lola T70
Lola T70 Coupe
McKee Mk10
McLaren M6
McLaren M8
Porsche 908-02 Spyder

Step 4 -- I went to the IRRA website and discovered 2 more were covered by OS or Truescale bodies not legal in D3 (unless I missed them)

McLeagle M6
Porsche 917PA

Now I am left with 7 bodies that either nobody makes OR they are just minor variations of other cars. Can anyone help me discover if reasonable scale lexan bodies exist for the following or if they are merely slight variations of one of the cars above?

Ferrari 312P Berlinetta (coupe) driven by Pedro Rodriguez
Ferrari 712P by Chris Amon
Ford G7A by Revson, Brabham and others
Matra-Simca MS650 by Cevert and Rodriguez
McLaren Elva M1 by several drivers
McLaren M12 by Surtees and Motschenbacher
Open Sports Ford by Frand Gardner and Jack Brabham


Thanks
Ken Bryan

[n.elmholt]

Hi

Tom Anderson does the Ferrari 312P Coupe, the McLaren M1 and his McLaren M8A is roughly similar to th M12

Niels, DK

[spudboy]

Ken,

This is a tremendous idea, good job!

A link to the O/S Ferrari 712 - O/S F712

If you need references check out Pete Lyons terrific books on the CanAm.

[Howmet TX]

Mclaren M12 would be a fairly easy conversion of an M8B mould- been thinking about it.
G7A & Ford Open Sport's been on my to-do list for a long time now. Too much to-do!

[gascarnut]

Mclaren M12 would be a fairly easy conversion of an M8B mould- been thinking about it.
G7A & Ford Open Sport's been on my to-do list for a long time now. Too much to-do!

The M8A would be a better starting point, I think, seeing as that was the basis for the full-size M12. Many of the details are closer to the A than to the B, apart from the cockpit area, which was unique to the M12.

I seem to remember that Russell Sheldon had a 1/32 scale G7A mold made for the 2005 CanAm Proxy series, but I have never seen a Ford Open Sport shell in either scale.

[Hworth08]

I might well be really wrong here. All the "proof" I have is that the Nissan CanAm body was the most popular at our track when the anglewinder chassis came into being.

I'm pretty sure the Nissan slot body was made by Dynamic and may have just been a fictious name. The Nissan slot body was very good with a good balance of downforce for the time.

[Ron Hershman]

I might well be really wrong here. All the "proof" I have is that the Nissan CanAm body was the most popular at our track when the anglewinder chassis came into being.

I'm pretty sure the Nissan slot body was made by Dynamic and may have just been a fictious name. The Nissan slot body was very good with a good balance of downforce for the time.

Maybe you are thinking of the Kirby Nissan???

[Howmet TX]

Yeah!- I have a mould for that Dynamic Nissan(R381 I think). It's real cute! I ran one in D3 briefly but the nose is a bit tight for the guide lead. Excellent JD body though I would think. The real car never ran in CanAm as far as I know, only the 1968 Japanese Grand Prix.

[Hworth08]

Sorry I can't remember much about the Nissan body. The CanAm cars got pretty popular at our track when the anglwinder frames came along so it was probably 1969. I'm pretty sure the body was one of Dynamic's Handling bodies, not too scale but racy.

I remember the Nissan name because someone at the track already knew that was the new name for Datsun and that they were considering Tennessee as a place for a plant, both of which came to pass.

[Rotorranch]

It was the Nissan R-381, powered by CHEVY!!!



http://www.retroscenemag.com/post/Rare-Car-Nissan-R381.aspx

Rotor

[911GT3]

Beat me to the picture. I had to look it up too.

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http://upload.wikime...an_R381_001.JPG

[Ron Hershman]

I was thinking more like the 69 Nissan 382

[Ron Hershman]

[Rotorranch]

Yeah!- I have a mould for that Dynamic Nissan(R381 I think). It's real cute! I ran one in D3 briefly but the nose is a bit tight for the guide lead. Excellent JD body though I would think. The real car never ran in CanAm as far as I know, only the 1968 Japanese Grand Prix.

I'd like to see it John!

Rotor

[Howmet TX]

Tricky business photographing clear shells...

Here's the Dynamic Nissan with spray guard film, and still on the mould.




And here off the mould, with film peeled off. Can you see it?

[Rotorranch]

It is easier to see on the mold with the film!

Looks like the R381 to me. Good looking body too!

Rotor

[Hworth08]

That looks like her! It's hard to believe we used to think of that as high downforce! The body was pretty flat on top of the front and rear fenders with a tall spoiler for the times. As best as I remenber the Nissan 381 and either the McLearen 6 or 8 were really good bodies. Consider the Lotus 40 or Lola 70 were very popular till then.

Not much related but maybe interesting. While looking around on the Independent Scratchbuilder site looking for the Nissan body I ran across the DuBro Toronada stock car body that was listed in 1967 Auto World catalogue. This was a very popular body at our track. It is listed as a "Long wide and low" body so maybe DuBro was the first company to release "for racing" bodies.??

[Jacob Shiplet]

I was thinking more like the 69 Nissan 382

Future Pro body?

[TSR]

In principle, both the Nissan R381 and 382 as well as the Toyota Group-7 bodies would not be retro legal because they never ran in the Can-Am in the USA, only in the Japan GP and a few more races in Japan that did include a race in which the Ti22 won its only GP7 race. However, both the Dynamic and the Kirby bodies as well as the one used by Riggen on their Group-12 RTR cars are period bodies and "close enough", so I personally see no harm in using them if someone likes the variety...

[Howmet TX]

I started whittling a Toyota 7 as a retro-pro type body a while ago. Maybe it's worth finishing. Another very cool looking sled.

[Gary Adams]

Man, I had forgotten how cool the Toyota 7 was!

[Howmet TX]

Yes sirree sir! Can you imagine that on a retro-pro chassis? Must finish up that mould....

[Rotorranch]

I found a little different version:



Rotor

[Mike Patterson]

Did Yamaha build the engines for Toyota? I see their logo on the car.

The thing that strikes me most about the car is how small it looks.

[gascarnut]

Here's a really nice article on the Toyota 7 along with some great photos:

Toyota 7