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#1 TSR

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 10:02 PM

The Premier company issued only one slot car racing model, a bizarre and heavy custom with cast-aluminum chassis, sidewinder FT36D motor painted in green, and a steel-wire drop arm. It sold poorly and REH ended up with the unsold inventory. In the 1980s when vintage slot cars collecting became a new hobby, REH sold the remaining bits, chassis in original packaging, clear bodies, and also painted bodies in their own colors. The original models are actually not so easy to find, I mean the ones produced by Premier in the 1960s.

This is what these cars looked like in the day:

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I guess these would be the ideal cars for Nesta, hey! :D

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 10:40 PM

Roll bar chassis... I love it. :wub:

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 05:10 PM

Interesting. What year did they release them for sale, I've seen the body but I've never seen the whole car before. How did they work compared with the other cars of the same era?

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 06:10 PM

I like it. I only got to see the body never the whole car. To bad you do not have a few extras. Would like to see if it is Nesta Proof. Sorry Nesta P. Opened the door. :D
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 07:20 PM

What year did they release them for sale, I've seen the body but I've never seen the whole car before. How did they work compared with the other cars of the same era?

They were issued in early 1967 at a time when they were already obsolete. They ran poorly because they had no traction from their hard rubber tires. Fitting foam tires helped them greatly. But they failed spectacularly in the marketplace.
As far as rental cars, they were indestructible but the drop arm would have to be captured so as to not "deploy" itself in the middle of its high-impact Nestification.
Because of their heavy chassis, they were not tilting too much like many of the period cars, so they were not half as bad as many. But the same body fitted over a Dynamic sidewinder and a 26D would have cleaned their clock.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 08:12 PM

For some reason I fell some pain! :unsure: :laugh2:



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Posted 15 February 2011 - 08:40 PM

I actually owned one of these. IIRC, mine was green. I don't know if any bits still survive or not, that box is in the attic.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:23 PM

Nesta its all good. We do it out of Love. Nothing but.
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:40 PM

For some reason I fell some pain! :laugh2:

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 01:26 AM

...the drop arm would have to be captured so as to not "deploy" itself in the middle of its high-impact Nestification.


I wondered why I'd never seen one.

AND now a new word enters the slotblog lexicon...

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:29 AM

Does anyone know who made those wheels and are the rears the same style as the fronts, with the tapered side detail. A few years ago I bought a kit from B&S ? containing the clear body with the avenger chassis. The wheels were set screw and not right, too wide, and I could never fit the body.It came with a white 36d maybe BZ. I had to change the "quick attach guide "arrangement as designed by Premier since it didn't work . It originally had a pin that held the brush to the guide, and then you were supposed to put the lead wire on the top of the pin and place a collar on the pin, but these collars were never tight enough to hold, so I just said, screw it, and used screws. I have found some rear wheels that look like a match to those fronts, that may be International ? With silicones , the chassis ran good , but I will look for the right wheels!

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:32 AM

PS the chassis I got never had any screw holes to hold the body on, so I will have to drill & tap.These side rails are beefy, are these screws self tapping, or machine screws? Gb

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 10:24 AM

Gary,
The front wheels look a bit like the small Dynamic with pointed edge tires found on the Ferrari P3 kit by Dynamic, but they are unique to this car and do not look like any by any manufacturer I am aware of.
The rears are somewhat clones of some of the K&B but are not the same... and the tires are very plain, hard rubber and slick surfaces.
These wheels are unique to these models and were likely made by Premier.
The spare chassis sold in the ckear bags with the Premier tag do not have mounting holes, you are supposed to drill your own. The screws are slef-tapping # 1.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 07:09 PM

Mike I think you missed an old retro lexicon. I will bet money on it. Some one in D3 Or retro came up with. I have been NESTATIZED. Nesta please make some tee shrits up. My idea so do I get the first one free?. X or XX large Please. :D :)
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Posted 22 April 2011 - 08:57 AM

They were issued in early 1967 at a time when they were already obsolete. They ran poorly because they had no traction from their hard rubber tires. Fitting foam tires helped them greatly. But they failed spectacularly in the marketplace.
As far as rental cars, they were indestructible but the drop arm would have to be captured so as to not "deploy" itself in the middle of its high-impact Nestification.
Because of their heavy chassis, they were not tilting too much like many of the period cars, so they were not half as bad as many. But the same body fitted over a Dynamic sidewinder and a 26D would have cleaned their clock.



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De-Nestification? :blink:
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Posted 22 April 2011 - 09:19 AM

De-Nestification? Posted Image

A difficult proposition indeed... :D

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 05:46 PM

i picked up one of these used, replaced the premier guide flag with a new issue, used a brass collar to hold it, added plastic shims between chassis bottom and top of drop arm so flag sits properly in track slot......used nos Candies silicones in the rear, and this baby handles great on commercial tracks. We actually raced these in our Thingie class in the CARS vintage slot car club a few years back. Once i got the "bugs" worked out, these are actually good cars. And, it performs perfectly on Carrera plastic home/club tracks with the Candies. I picked up a bunch of body and chassis kits, i just need to make time to paint the bodies in different colors, and copy the factory stripes. now to match those knife edge fronts........as well as find an empty box........did premier ever issue replacement parts??? :unsure:

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 04:48 PM

Thanks for the tips on this one! I liked the body and thought it would make a good car even though the general consensus is that the frame is too heavy. With a 36D motor and a bit hotter armature I bet it would be a blast! :)
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Posted 04 July 2011 - 11:56 AM

another thing i noticed about the chassis/frames: when i compared the nos chassis kit to the rtr car i had, the drop arms were bent differently (possibly the factory made the change to seat the guide flag better?) and the chassis sides were drilled out on some, not drilled 9for body mounting) on others........

while the chassis may be a bit heavy, it makes for a good handling car with the stock green can 36d, still available from REH.

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