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#1 idare2bdul

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 01:14 PM

There was a recent post where cheating was alleged. It really pointed out the need for national rules.

One rule that was mentioned was; "You could clean your lane up to the tree witch is about the first 8 to 10 feet."

As Dennis Hill (Foamy) pointed out at most tracks wiping up glue is at racer option and only limited by how much time is allowed. A sixty second clock is normal for staging.

The order of running the classes is also open for debate as some run based on how many entries are in a class, others rely on how much glue the cars require and run the classes that require less glue to be run after the faster cars run and then clean the track for the slower cars or do it in the reverse order.

Another thing that was mentioned in the other post was an allowed practice run that was given to a racer running a different class before the final in an index class. In an index class you are trying to run to a preset ET. If your car is set up to run a .990 ET with current track conditions and another car runs on your lane adding or deleting glue it could cause problems. I've never heard of a track interrupting a normal race class to do this but this highlights the need for consistent rules.

On another board there has been a long running complaint about illegal armatures and how to catch them. The problem is the solution is often as bad as the problem by mandating testing that would require more expensive and sophisticated testing equipment that raceways don't want to buy or end up using inferior equipment that can't reliably measure to the required standard.

If we don't want to put up with a lot of local rules coming up with a national standard would help. Now if the factories could work together to come up with these ...:rolleyes:
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Posted 07 March 2011 - 02:05 PM

Great post Mike, You are 100 % correct about the need for national rules.
I thought there was I'll see if I could find them.

It makes scene to run 1.090 index from start to finish and then the .990 index start to finish but to run the brackets after them does not make too much scene.
I think were I race they might do index one night and then bracket another night. There was some talk about it.
I have never had a problem with just cleaning the track up to the tree and I do know the track slows down as the night goes on due to glue build up on the lane and I account for that. That is untill last week.

There should never be a practice pass by someone when there is eliminations going on period.

Well take a look here but it is all from year 2000. > http://www.slotcar.c...rs Handbook.pdf

And here > http://www.slotcar.c...rs Handbook.pdf

SDRA > http://www.slotcar.com/sdra/index.html
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Posted 07 March 2011 - 07:24 PM

Why not allow the cleaning of the lane as the Racer sees fit? The cars run more consistent from one run to the next. If anything, they speed up slightly as the night goes on as the track gets cooler.

Someone mentioned "Big Money" was the reason for the glue job. HA. There for a while @ BP, we were running for a couple hundred to win in Brackets. . .every week. 150+ cars at 3bux a car, 90% payback. Nothing like this EVER happened here.

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 02:05 AM

Kind of makes you appreciate Buena Parks racers and owner doesn't it?
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Posted 08 March 2011 - 06:18 AM

Was someone's cars and box stolen there at Buena Park or a track located there on the West coast ? :( If my memory recalls the property belonged to someone who had passed away but his box remained under the drag track and some DIRT BAGS helped themselves to it and stole it. :mad:
We are lucky to have owner's like we do, the real problem is the low life scum, that cheat and steel. :angry:
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Posted 09 March 2011 - 08:40 PM

having national rules would be nice ecept that all raceways operate differant in their racing programs in order to keep the racers comming . you realy dont need rules in an index class because you go to fast you lose.most racers in my area feel that cleaning the track at the beginning of the night is enough after the track is cleaned completely the races run out a new glue layer them selfs and feel if you clean the track past the tree the cars lose grip. however you can do all the cleaning you want up to the tree so your car will hook up at the line. this was a thing voted on by the racers themselves. as i was the race director at the track mentioned in the last post i have allowed cars to make a test pass during a race while waiting for the drivers in the class to get to the line.even someone in the last post was allowed to do it at my old raceway i have been running my drag program since 1996 and have never ran into a problem like that one you read about .in fact i was asked by the racers if i would talk to the owners of the track i am at now to let me directt the drag program.you all read the last post and you have both sides of the story YOU MAKE UP YOUR OWN MINDS ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR PROGRAM FEEL FREE TO CALL THE TRACK


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Posted 10 March 2011 - 09:17 AM

having national rules would be nice ecept that all raceways operate differant in their racing programs in order to keep the racers comming . you realy dont need rules in an index class because you go to fast you lose.most racers in my area feel that cleaning the track at the beginning of the night is enough after the track is cleaned completely the races run out a new glue layer them selfs and feel if you clean the track past the tree the cars lose grip. however you can do all the cleaning you want up to the tree so your car will hook up at the line. this was a thing voted on by the racers themselves. as i was the race director at the track mentioned in the last post i have allowed cars to make a test pass during a race while waiting for the drivers in the class to get to the line.even someone in the last post was allowed to do it at my old raceway i have been running my drag program since 1996 and have never ran into a problem like that one you read about .in fact i was asked by the racers if i would talk to the owners of the track i am at now to let me directt the drag program.you all read the last post and you have both sides of the story YOU MAKE UP YOUR OWN MINDS ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR PROGRAM FEEL FREE TO CALL THE TRACK


Tony ; Welcome to S/B were people from around the globe get to talk about slot cars.
Lots of interesting people here with great info that we all learn from.
Okay maybe at least some basic guide lines will do the trick.
Like under no circumstances there will be no other runs during rounds or eliminations.
Practice ether before or after the eliminations and NOT during.
As for the glue rule I have never had a problem the way it is now and I think if I noticed the glue before the race in my lane at half track and top end I would have at least movedit to the side with my little tool that I leave by the starting line for others to use if they like. I would have cleaned the glue just before the finish line. That is after it was cleared with a track official.
In this case you were not waiting for me . Do you remember telling me it is not your turn to run just yet when I was hooking up my controller ?
I never would ask to let me get in a practice pass during eliminations as I know better since I have been involved in 1 to 1 drag racing just about all of my life.
It has been a few years since you closed your doors and I had a great time racing at your establishment and I'm real glad you are running the drag program at S-A-L and thank you for doing it. I don't think it is a bad idea to listen to other input and to adapt and make little changes like "no practice runs during eliminations if need be.
I'm always open minded and listen to what others have too say and I think it is a good thing.
Tony; Rob and I talked and we agreed to drop the incident and get on with racing so lets leave it at that and not bring it up.
Please feel free to voice your opinion about the rules and guidelines.
Just incase you missed the last post Tony is talking about here is a link.
http://slotblog.net/...ed/page__st__20
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 12:37 PM

THANKS FOR THE WELCOME JOE... THE REASON I TOLD YOU IT WAS NOT YOUR TURN YET BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IT WAS THE OTHER HALF OF THE SEMIS TURN TO SEE WHO WOULD RUN IN THE FINALS AGAIST YOU... AS FOR LETTING SOMEONE TAKE A TEST PASS IT HAS NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE PAST BESIDES I DID NOT WRITE MY REASONS FOR LETTING A TEST PASS FOR YOU TO BRING UP LAST THURSDAY NIGHT AGAIN IT WAS JUST TO LET OTHER PEOPLE KNOW I HAVE DONE IT FOR YEARS WITH NO PROBLEMS WHY DONT YOU ASK ROB OR MYSELF TO HOLD A DRIVERS MEETING TO GO OVER THE CHANGES YOU WANT TO MAKE AND GET THE OTHER DRIVERS INPUT ON THEM AS YOU KNOW I HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO RUN THE TRACK THE WAY THE DRIVERS FEEL IT IS FAIR TO ALL...NOW AS FAR AS LAST THURSDAY NIGHT MAYBE IF YOU WOULD HAVE SAID THER WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE LANE INSTEAD OF SAYING YOU GOT SABOTOGED THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED IN AN OTHER WAY. TRY TO THINK BEFORE YOU SAY THINGS MAYBE THATS WHY YOU ARE LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP......THIS IS MY LAST WORD ON THE SUBJECT ON THIS BLOG.......


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Posted 18 March 2011 - 11:51 AM

Was someone's cars and box stolen there at Buena Park or a track located there on the West coast ? :( If my memory recalls the property belonged to someone who had passed away but his box remained under the drag track and some DIRT BAGS helped themselves to it and stole it. :mad:
We are lucky to have owner's like we do, the real problem is the low life scum, that cheat and steel. :angry:


Haven't been to this thread in a while.
The box in question was moved to the back store room, the stuff was returned to the family. It took a while to locate it, as he owner is the one that moved it, passed away, and it took a while to find it. The back room was kinda a mess. There was a big cry about how it was stolen, but when it was found, nothing further was said.

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 01:41 AM

I have some really nasty thing's I'm fighting to hold back, But long and short of it is there was a National Rules Organization. SDRA that ran the most successful National Races ever, one race alone 2500 + entries in 3 days! and as for cleaning your lane, let me say I can clean my lane, and braid, then roll out and Glue my car in 60 seconds. Put you big girl Panties on and 60 seconds to stage. and if any one messes with your lane Protest it. if you don't pay attention, Don't whine about it Get them BIG GIRL PANTIES on and Cowboy up, don't blame your loss on any one but your self. Once the race is run it's run. there are no do overs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's like if the Race Director miss-enters your dial and you don't notice it on the monitor, and run is made it's made!! I can say I'd like bag on Foamy, but the time I made it out to BP and out of sear luck I put him out, There was no Blame game, o whining, Just a guy that maned up and chalked it up a loss to "That's Racing", Like a TRUE Gentleman Racer. it's this king of BABY Crying that ruins Racing and makes it not fun. Let me just say if I wanted to listen to a bunch of baby Crying and Blame shifting for some one Else's shortcomings, I'd go out with my Girlfriend!!!! I go racing to have fun Not to listen to a bunch of Cry Babies
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 05:06 AM

Riche you missed the other piece this post came from with the details. You could call me a big baby if you like but I have been to quite a few final rounds and lost a few to walk over and shake the opponents hand.
It is now over and done with end of story.
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 08:14 PM

i guess i'm used to "for 60 seconds you own the lane" we always clean our lane most of the time the top end has to much glue anyway.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 12:51 PM

You can make all kinds of complicated rule that you want, but there is always someone smarter at cheating than the people that make up the rules. Just as at the Drag Strip it gets expensive to check all the cars for rule infractions. It always turns out that the more rules that you have, then more cheating there is.
The most popular Drag racing at the tracks that I have raced at is ET.
Call your ET and if you cut a light better than the other driver, run very close to your ET and don't go under you will most likely win.
This eliminates all the hassles before the race.
How can you cheat?
This always pull in more new racer that any other type of Drag racing. If a new racer comes in and you hit them with a book full of rules they may not come back.
We are speed demons at hart, and as we learn more about the cars we will try building faster (and more expensive) cars. I have several cars from very simple costing $50 to high end cars that where over $200, but it is the most consistent one that wins the most. It is not always the fastest one.

Keep it simple.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 01:46 AM

The nice thing about drag racing at BPR is that there are multiple classes to satisfy darn near everyone. Bracket racing is usually the biggest class but 20 car fields for Super Gas, running on a 1.200 second index is also popular. Super Street cars with their 1.400 second index are also often found in the final rounds of Brackets.

We have had some success with getting heads up classes for the new Neo magnet motors. Often a guy will build a car with some cobination and other people like it and it morphs into a new class, or revives an older class.

I think the thing that makes it special at BPR isn't the cars, it's the people. The bench racing and fellowship make the difference. While we compete with each other we also help each other.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 06:52 AM

DRS ( Drag Racing Specialties ), now apparently out of business, from Texas had a decent set of rules for 1/24 scale drag racing. Bob Herrick did a fair job of trying to keep the rules free of manufacturer interference although his business was slot drag equipment. I raced brackets and class racing under DRS rules and I think they were pretty standard at that time. perhaps the web site with the rules still exists?
I have to agree, rules that are standardized make it easier for visiting racers to race at other tracks and control cheating to a degree.
I do understand that many tracks cannot afford exotic testing paraphenalia and that is where the DRS rules were handy.
there will always be someone who can find a way around rules.
I have watched guys advance timing on sealed S16-D motors for both drag and circuit racing. they got away with it too.
I ran some drag racing for awhile and tried to avoid cash payouts becasue it always seemed to attract some people who were ruthless. the racres that were content with store bucks (credit) were there to have fun. everyone wants to win, but running brackets that can be low dollar cars and having fun seemed to bring the fathful in regulary and the cheaters out.
sorry to dredge this up again and it seems in all classes of racing, national and even international rules seem to be created by a manufacturer and that always brings up the question of favoritism.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:20 PM

We have a dragstrip here at Fosters and I'm hoping to see a drag race program happening. So far we're just dinking around. A national rules book would be nice to have to avoid all the wranging.

I built my 1st dragster recently without wheelie bars. It has a Hawk 7 and ET's/ in the 1.2's/ 33 mph.
I'm waiting to have body painted. I know zero about any rules.

I heard somewhere that wheelie bars are required. IS THAT TRUE?

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:24 PM

Wheelies wheels are not standard OEM
Take a look at the slip joint dragsters, they don't have wheelie wheels.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:28 PM

Fine with me. So far, my rail whips everything I've run against. I hope to egg on someone to beat me and get some real interest in a program happening.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:29 PM

National rules at least offer an option for consistency in car building and traveling races. Local rules always cater to the local economy.

I raced Rod & Custom magazine rules in the 1960's and I raced the SDRA 1991 Nationals at JK Raceway. After I took over the JK operation in 2001, I had a nice 100 ft strip capable of hosting a better national event, but our local program did not go very well, mainly due to lack of traveling racers from other parts of the metro area.

One issue I have wanted in top fuel was to offer a truely open class race. ANY motor and chassis within a set of overall dimensions...just like in the 1960's. Non wheelie bar classes make a lot of sense to me. How about FCR Street Stock.??
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

When I last communicated with Bob Herrick, within the last 2 years, he said DRS was still in operation, He is on Facebook; ask him yourself...


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 11:02 AM

As far as I am knowing, the 2005 SDRA rulebook is the main guide yet.  With the use of the Proslot style minimotors or even 1/32 scale, has any other rule book come  in use?  A quarter mile in 1/32 scale is basically a 1000' 1/24 track.


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Posted 07 April 2016 - 06:15 PM

Ramcat we need to get with Mike Swiss, I think that a stock Parma drag car is the best to start with, making that stock, modified Parma drag cars, anything change from Parma drag car modified eliminator and so on, keep it easy and simple





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