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#1 Stan

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 09:27 AM

Why let grownups have all the fun?

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I have had such a blast racing slot cars in the last couple years, that I want to share that with a younger generation. Cruzin Bob Scott encouraged me to share some of what I am trying here on the Blog, so here goes!

First, let me say that my day job right now is teaching science to 7th, 8th, and 9th graders at a small public charter school in Arizona. This can be an exhausting age group, but very rewarding. Dealing with 8 or 10 of them at once at a track, may not be everyone's cup of tea-- I totally understand that. I've seen Bob in action, and it takes a special person to be out in public with a mobile track for hours each day. You are never "with" this age group. You are either "ahead" of them, or "trampled" by them.

Why do this?

Well, I see these students every day, and while I'm impressed by their internet and computer skills, many of them are not exposed to much hands-on building or electronics at home. I've had some students who have never held a screwdriver before. Many of them have no patience whatsoever for an extended project-- which is age appropriate. They love competition, but still need to learn about fairness, cooperation, planning ahead, taking responsibility, and completing what they start. So slot car racing is a perfect fit!

Slot cars offer: a low entry cost (for them), personal equipment they can build and adjust, a chance to compete against their buddies, no batteries to charge up, no bad weather to spoil plans, and fairly easy access to "real" racing. I mean, it doesn't take long before a group of them gets the hang of it and has real competition. RC cars, for example, are quite expensive up front, and require a fair amount of driving skills before a group can get a real door-to-door competition going.

At this age, the boys and a few of the girls have a real interest in cars, but they are not old enough to even think about driving. So this gives a great outlet for their automotive DNA. Instead of just modelling or reading the car magazines, they can actually go racing!

While they are having fun, they are learning dynamic lessons on applied physics and other areas-- What happens to mass as it is highly accelerated and then turned suddenly without slowing? Since momentum is conserved, what happens to the cars when a fast one runs into a slow one, or the wall for that matter? What unusual vectors of motion are produced when two open-wheel slot cars touch their spinning wheels? How can I keep the dc circuit complete from one braid up through my motor and back down? How can I connect the movement of my trigger finger to my brain? Why did my car go backwards instead of forwards on the track? Why do I need brakes? Why does going slower at times end up making me faster?

...and this all happens in the real mechanical world, not in a computer simulation!!! In the real world, when your car is not ready, you can't race. When you smash up your car in the real world, you have to fix it before you can race. In the real world, if you want your car to go faster, you have to form a hypothesis and experiment with making a change.

I'll post some pics in the next post!

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 10:19 AM

So how did we get started?

It took me quite a while to decide what platform to use. For the students, it had to be inexpensive, lots of fun, and building intensive. This last Christmas, one of the guys in our AZGR club, Roger, got us into the Sprints Plus sprint cars. It took about 5 seconds for me to realize this was the perfect starting point for a student club!

So I put together a quick poster to see if there was any interest...
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I also spoke at an assembly and showed a video of our AZGR club test driving some of the sprint cars...

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Once we got a group of students who were interested, I put together an order form so they could select what items they wanted to buy, and I could place a large bulk order for the cars.
We started with a standard "kit" to take the guesswork out of it:

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For each student we ordered a Sprints Plus no-motor kit, a Slick 7 Mini-Brute motor, 8 tooth pinion, Parma guide with nut, and motor wire with clips. I bought a few cans of lexan spay paint, some stick-on decals from the dollar store and brought my tools into school. So for the price of a plastic out-of-the box homeset car, they could build a real brass chassis monster. And I do mean monster! These sprints set up this way are FAST and furious!

The plan is to get the kids racing right away. So the first couple weeks, we raced IROC style using 4 of my Scalextric NASCARs. I removed the magnets and put a few ounces of weight in place of the magnet. Indy grips on the rears. These cars perform really well on my track set up this way.

So by using a slower car to start, students could learn the ropes of the track and how to cycle through the lanes under management of TrackMate. This kept them busy and enthused while we waited for the sprint cars.
At the end of our race, I would always bring out a few of my club racing cars, and let some of the students run some laps on them to get the feel of a faster car.

More next post!

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 10:39 AM

Hey Stan, I think that is very cool. And I know exactly what you are saying when you state many kids have never even held a screwdriver. Much of what I learned working on slot cars at a young age fostered my interests and my vocation as an adult. I'm sure you'll be giving them skills they will use the rest of thier lives, if for no other reason they have nuts and bolts knowledge.

I look forward to future reports on your progress. Certainly advertising "mulit-car door to door mayhem" would get my attention!:D
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Posted 22 April 2011 - 10:40 AM

Here's the scale of the sprint car... great size... sort of 1/32 and 1/24 all at the same time!
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In retrospect, I wonder if I should have added a small toolbox to the starter kit. Tried to keep the intro price as low as I could so I didn't. But 13-year-olds and multiple tiny parts-- hmmm. It took only 5 minutes the day our kits arrived for everyone at the lab table to have the wrong collection of parts when they were done opening everything and mixing up their kits!!!

But they really got into it...

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Yes, I had to crank out a few setup blocks...
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We soldered in the motors...
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Painting, assembling, soldering, tweeking, adjusting.... all great skills to learn! It was fun to watch the students who finished their cars first, help the slower ones.
I ordered one extra kit, so I could rob it for "lost" parts.

Here's one grouping of the finished cars...
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If you're not bored out of your mind yet, I'll see you in the next post.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 10:59 AM

We've done about 13 starter kits to date, but we have between 7 and 9 racers each week... which is a great number. Four on the track, plus a few marshals and a couple off to work on their cars.

Some fast action down the front straight... and a spin-out in the twisties...
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Four wide coming off the back straight...
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NASCAR spinner...
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Solid color with a stripe was a common paint theme...
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The enthusiasm of the kids is really infectious!

If you value your controllers, you'll need a holder of some sort. Just hooking them on the track wall DOES NOT WORK!
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And you'll be reminding them constantly about cleaning tires, oiling axles, fixing braids, making sure the controller wires are still attached, and keeping the right color dot on their car! Hmmm not all that different from our club races with grownups come to think of it!!!!!

Thanks for reading!

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 11:04 AM

Hey Stan, I think that is very cool. And I know exactly what you are saying when you state many kids have never even held a screwdriver. Much of what I learned working on slot cars at a young age fostered my interests and my vocation as an adult. I'm sure you'll be giving them skills they will use the rest of thier lives, if for no other reason they have nuts and bolts knowledge.

I look forward to future reports on your progress. Certainly advertising "mulit-car door to door mayhem" would get my attention!:D


Hey, John! Thanks for your post and interest!

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 11:27 AM

I should add that in our current world, because this track is in my garage (but walking distance from our school), I always have another teacher or staff member from our school present when we race. If we get some funding, then perhaps we could have a portable track at school that we could set up each week. We don't have space for a permanent track.

Here are some NASCAR model kits our club found on sale, that could possibly be for a future H&R hard body class with the students. I keep them on the shelf at school.
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Guys from our AZGR club have already offered support for this student club-- a great way for keeping the hobby alive with another generation of racers!
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Posted 22 April 2011 - 04:29 PM

We've done about 13 starter kits to date, but we have between 7 and 9 racers each week... which is a great number. Four on the track, plus a few marshals and a couple off to work on their cars.

Some fast action down the front straight... and a spin-out in the twisties...
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Four wide coming off the back straight...
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NASCAR spinner...
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Solid color with a stripe was a common paint theme...
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The enthusiasm of the kids is really infectious!

If you value your controllers, you'll need a holder of some sort. Just hooking them on the track wall DOES NOT WORK!
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And you'll be reminding them constantly about cleaning tires, oiling axles, fixing braids, making sure the controller wires are still attached, and keeping the right color dot on their car! Hmmm not all that different from our club races with grownups come to think of it!!!!!

Thanks for reading!

Stan


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Posted 22 April 2011 - 04:59 PM

Hi Stan
Great job with the kids. I help run the El Cajon Raceway in El Cajon Ca.
We would like to get more kids in to the track.
Do you think the sprint car is the best car for starters or a womp?

thanks Mike
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Posted 22 April 2011 - 05:17 PM

AZGR had to lower the bar to let a Science Teacher in ... :laugh2:

But Stan Ferris has raised that bar very high indeed.

These are some of the luckiest kids around. I wish I had had more teachers like Stan.

Besides slot racing Stan also has special programs in Robotics and a very cool Space Shuttle project with a huge simulated Orbiter in which the kids fly an entire mission.

On top of all this he is a great jazz musician.

Stan has earned the respect and admiration of our entire group.
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Posted 22 April 2011 - 07:32 PM

AZGR had to lower the bar to let a Science Teacher in ... :laugh2:

But Stan Ferris has raised that bar very high indeed.

These are some of the luckiest kids around. I wish I had had more teachers like Stan.

Besides slot racing Stan also has special programs in Robotics and a very cool Space Shuttle project with a huge simulated Orbiter in which the kids fly an entire mission.

On top of all this he is a great jazz musician.

Stan has earned the respect and admiration of our entire group.


Wow... I'm going to owe Dave some big bucks for that one!!! $$$$$

Mike, I've only had one Womp, and not any of the other Parma cars, so I don't know how best to answer your question. Since our club started racing the Sprints and I could learn about them from the other more experienced AZGR guys, I went with the Sprints and Slick-7 motor. This set up is a handful of torque and speed for the club members, let alone the kids-- but I definitely wanted something fast and challenging to keep the students reaching for success. But from what I see on line, the Womps and other Parma cars have been a great intro for many in the hobby.
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Posted 22 April 2011 - 07:38 PM

Also Mike, these students all see me every day, and several are in my homeroom. So perhaps one way to get young people interested, is not by trying to interest them individually, but through a scout master, teacher, or other adult already involved with kids. I can "sell" the club every day at school just by leaving a cool looking slot car on my desk!

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 07:43 PM

Impressive and very cool to see!

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 09:34 PM

Stan people like you and Bob gives this hobby a chance in the future, thanks for sharing. ;)



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Posted 22 April 2011 - 10:17 PM

...While they are having fun, they are learning dynamic lessons on applied physics and other areas-- What happens to mass as it is highly accelerated and then turned suddenly without slowing? Since momentum is conserved, what happens to the cars when a fast one runs into a slow one, or the wall for that matter? What unusual vectors of motion are produced when two open-wheel slot cars touch their spinning wheels? How can I keep the dc circuit complete from one braid up through my motor and back down? How can I connect the movement of my trigger finger to my brain? Why did my car go backwards instead of forwards on the track? Why do I need brakes? Why does going slower at times end up making me faster?

...and this all happens in the real mechanical world, not in a computer simulation!!! In the real world, when your car is not ready, you can't race. When you smash up your car in the real world, you have to fix it before you can race. In the real world, if you want your car to go faster, you have to form a hypothesis and experiment with making a change. ..


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These are observations that can help build this concept and help push it into the center isle...I know you dont mind that these are going down in my notebook ;)



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Posted 23 April 2011 - 04:00 AM

Hi Stan,

We had a club at school here in the UK back in the late 60's. As you've already said, learning the basics of how things work raised a curiosity that is still with me today. Clubs help to build social skills too.

Congratulations and keep up the good work.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 08:55 AM

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These are observations that can help build this concept and help push it into the center isle...I know you dont mind that these are going down in my notebook ;)




Bob, you weren't in town when I did my assembly, but I think how cool it would have been to have one of your mobile tracks set up arena style with students all around! Have each homeroom send a student down to race against the other homerooms! I did that last year with our robotics team... we set up a contest arena, and did a small competition, and then, when we pushed two teachers down front, handed them the robot controllers and had them go at it-- the kids went crazy to see them fumbling around. It was all great fun, and everyone got to scream and yell for their favorite team.

One thing I've seen, is that the young kids are not into subtleties of handling at first. They want to go fast. So any demos for them should feed that need for speed-- the handling will come later. For example, after about the 3rd time we raced, I brought out a Scale Auto 1/24 car, which is not crazy fast like the sprints, but handles like butter. A couple of the students could now understand the difference, and appreciate the handling a bit more.

BTW, our small school is a bit old fashioned in that no one gets a prize just for trying. Self esteem comes from knowing you put forth your best effort. If you win, even better. If you don't win today, then you try harder tomorrow. Having a winner gives us all a goal to shoot for and bring out our best.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 10:34 AM

Stan, Great post !! I am so glad to see this. You are single handedly making a diffrence with these young minds!!

Bless you for putting something other than a PS3 controller in their hands!!

Like Dave said, we are very glad to have guys like YOU & Cruzzin Bob as part of our AZGR group.

Please tell the young racers their cars look great!!! And keep up the good work :D ...SS
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Posted 24 April 2011 - 03:15 PM

I decided yesterday to build a small test track for the kids to use at school. It will be handy for them, of course, but it's really more of a test platform for me to evaluate the process of building, and for the durability of the materials involved. If all goes well, this test build might convince me to take the plunge and build a real 4-lane track for the club we could keep at school.

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I'll post photos and the process of the build in the track building forum.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 09:57 PM

The best thing you've done is get kids involved in having FUN with slot racing. As other's have pointed out--it's a LIFE learning experience that some will never forget--and ALL will take something good away with them. Congrat's to you for taking the time and effort to get it going. Good luck on the school track--and good job!!!
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Posted 24 April 2011 - 09:59 PM

The best thing you've done is get kids involved in having FUN with slot racing. As other's have pointed out--it's a LIFE learning experience that some will never forget--and ALL will take something good away with them. Congrat's to you for taking the time and effort to get it going. Good luck on the school track--and good job!!!
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Posted 01 May 2011 - 08:59 AM

Ron Hershman, the students are going to be thrilled when they see all the cool stuff you sent them! Thank you so much!!!

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Posted 01 May 2011 - 11:02 AM

Stan...you and your students are very welcome..... glad to send some stuff they can use and have fun with while learning about slot cars.





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