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Posted 24 April 2011 - 03:48 PM

I got a box of 1/32 scale stuff from a buddy here on the forum. ;)

Along with a few really used items, was a pretty clean Monogram Ford Roadster slot car body. I think I read it takes a special chassis for this car. I was just wondering if anyone had pics of a complete Lil Deuce car and chassis. I don't remember ever seeing one myself.

I'm hoping to find some more parts to put the thing together.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 11:57 PM

Here's a couple pics of the body.

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So nobody has a pic of the chassis, or a complete car? I'd really like to put this thing together.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 12:45 AM

I have the chassis... maybe we can work a deal...?:rolleyes:

I do not have the rest of it. I'll post a pic.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 12:52 AM

Call me, Jeff. I'm up to 12 WCT.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 08:42 AM

Barny,

On your chassis the guide is mounted upside down... This chassis has the motor UNDER itself, not above, otherwise the Ford body will not mount on it... This is the only Monogram kit to use this bizarre chassis. :D

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 04:36 PM

I got it this way but I'm sure Jeff will want to know this. Thanks, Dokk.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 05:14 PM

Cool. I sure didn't know it was an upside-down chassis!

Strange little car, eh?

Sure is cute though. I'm guessing it wasn't a very popular car, as I don't think I've ever seen one on ePay. I was kinda hoping I had a chassis in some of my stuff, but I don't think so.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 07:30 PM

I had one of those a long time ago. Mine must have been an early edition because it did not have a drop flag and the flag was mounted behind the front axle. Thing handled like dog-doo.
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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:36 PM

Hugh,

There is only one edition and indeed this wire drop arm was added by someone along the way. The original chassis has no drop arm, just a guide tongue ("tounge" for the ones who can't spell their own names) that was cut off on the example shown above. :)

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:48 PM

OK... that makes sense. Thanks, Dokk.
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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:48 PM

LOL Hugh... I guess with the negative guide lead it would be a pig! :shok:

I'm still hoping someone out there has some pics of the car. I'd like to piece this thing together, because it sure is cute!

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 10:06 PM

Hugh,
There is only one edition and indeed this wire drop arm was added by someone along the way. The original chassis has no drop arm, just a guide tongue ("tounge" for the ones who can't spell their own names) that was cut off on the example shown above. :)

Or broken off. :blink:

Dokk... ya got pics of a complete car?

This little car just has piqued my interest. I'd really like to get it put together.

Barney has said I can get the chassis he posted, but looks like I'll need more stuff to finish it.

Anyone got the parts to finish this little hot rod?

BTW... I can spell, I just can't type!

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 08:20 AM

Looking in my (extensive) files, I found that I failed to take any pictures of either the Little Deuce or the MGA kits!

I will try accommodating you next weekend.

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 08:26 AM


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Would I be correct that the #66 car in the picture is Rotor powered? Long time ago but I believe NASCAR banned the rotary engine as they were better for the same displacement?

Jeff, maybe search eBay's model car section for the Duece Roadster. There will be a tremendous number of items but eBay's search works pretty well.

I sort of believe that car used an exposed flathead Ford motor that Monogram dressed up with some speed equipment. I think. :)
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Posted 04 May 2011 - 10:37 AM

Long time ago but I believe NASCAR banned the rotary engine as they were better for the same displacement?

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 10:52 AM

Dokk,

I'm thinking in either the Mini Stock (1600cc) or Baby Grand National (2300cc) division. That would have been in the mid-'70s, past my "accurate memory" boundary. I know for sure that NASCAR banned the Volkswagen in the Baby Grands. SCAT spent a lot of time and money trying to beat the Offy-powered Midget cars with a VW engine. The VWs had a pretty good edge on other 2300 engines at that time. NASCAR leveled the field later by allowing ONLY the 200 CFM Holley carburetor for two or three years. That was barely enough air for a lawn mower!
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Posted 04 May 2011 - 11:30 AM

Look here.

This is mine, used it at the 2009 Turin Vintage Meeting.

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 11:41 AM

Not very fast, but it ran not to bad. Found the YouTube video:



After 3m40s you'll see it on the track.
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Posted 04 May 2011 - 12:59 PM

If the wheels with the red-painted centers as in Chris's picture are "standard" for the Deuce, I have a set.

Chris, very nice video!
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Posted 04 May 2011 - 01:06 PM

The wheels were plain aluminum with no inserts, like in all the late 1964 Monogram slot car kits in both 1/24 and 1/32 scale.

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 01:06 PM

Chris,

Thanks for the pics and the video. That is a cute lil car! I'll have to keep looking for stuff to put this one together. :D

Don, yes, it is a rotary-powered Mazda R-100 auto-cross car. 948cc 10A rotary engine. Most of my race cars, and all my street cars until recently, were Mazda rotaries, including my tow vehicle.

And, yes, rotaries have been restricted or banned in many forms of racing.

Back in the mid-'80s, I got the local dirt track to allow the rotary engine in mini-stock. I ran a Mazda RX-2 for half a dozen races that year with a stone-stock engine, with little success, on weekends that I was not road racing the RX-3. The next season, a fellow came down with a tube frame mini-stocker, with a built rotary, and won every race that year except the first one, where he had a radiator hose come loose. The following season the rule book, in big bold letters, said "NO ROTARY ENGINES". And that was that for the rotaries there.

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 01:28 PM

Jeff,

Nice! I'll put a picture of your car and trailer in my collection of old race car trailers.
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Posted 04 May 2011 - 01:35 PM

Great video! It's funny... even though they are not speaking the King's English you can tell by the sounds and the "banter" these guys are slot racers! Those little cars are jetting!

Thanks for the pics and video, guys. I know Jeff will want to see these.

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 09:49 PM

Nice! I'll put a picture of your car and trailer in my collection of old race car trailers.

Cool, Don... in the pic you can just see a glimpse of the tow vehicle attached to the trailer. It's a Mazda REPU (Rotary Engine Pick Up).

It's now the same Impulse Blue as all the rest of my race cars. Over half a million miles, and ready for more! ;)

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 10:02 PM

Great video! It's funny... even though they are not speaking the King's English you can tell by the sounds and the "banter" these guys are slot racers! Those little cars are jetting!

Thanks for the pics and video, guys. I know Jeff will want to see these.

I did forget to mention the video. Looks like every one was having a great time! And what a neat place to race! Cool track, too! A bunch of neat little cars, too!

Was that the Thingie Kingie (Edo) I spied there?

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 01:37 PM

There is only one edition and indeed this wire drop arm was added by someone along the way.

Agreed.

The original chassis has no drop arm, just a guide tongue that was cut off on the example shown above. :)

I thought that the guide mounts in the hole in the small tab immediately behind the front axle, that we normally associate with a body mounting hole in other Monogram frames. The body has four mounting points that correspond with the other four holes in the frame.

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 05:21 PM

I thought that the guide mounts in the hole in the small tab immediately behind the front axle, that we normally associate with a body mounting hole in other Monogram frames. The body has four mounting points that correspond with the other four holes in the frame.


If you put the guide there, it would lift the front wheels/tires 1/4" or more off the track.

I think Philippe is saying this chassis had to be used inverted for the '32 Deuce body to be fitted, with the motor "hanging" beneath the chassis.

The pic HarV/Barney posted must've been used with some other body fitted.

If you look closely at this enlargement, you can see where someone cut off the original guide mount tab. The front center of the chassis looks a little ragged like it may have been hastily cut off with snips.

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 06:12 PM

I think Philippe is saying this chassis had to be used inverted for the '32 Deuce body to be fitted, with the motor "hanging" beneath the chassis.

Correct a-mundo, as the Fonz would say.
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Posted 20 January 2012 - 07:28 PM

I was just thumbing through my Car Model mags and it said this car was the worst handling car of all their first edition slot cars. Now I know why.
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Posted 22 April 2015 - 07:11 PM

Maybe a bit late but may be of some help now or in the future. First photo shows chassis as it is meant to run, Second shows chassis upside down for clarity, Third shows complete cars. The  Car #7  , I am repairing and tuning for a friend. #49 is in for minor repairs and tuning, unmarked car is being built up from spare parts.

As for some magazine's claim that these are poor handling, I disagree completely. In vintage racing it is best to race these cars in equal classes, so it is totally unfair to compare a 1932 Deuce Hot Rod to a Ferrari 250 GTO or other sports car like the MGA. When raced with other Deuce's they are a riot, and superior to most  cars in their class like the Scalextric Bentley, Alfa Romeo and other Vintage cars of that era.

Monogram went to a great deal of effort to create this charming little car from a static kit that had been in production since the 1950's. A unique chassis was engineered, along with many special parts which were cast in matching body colour, like the firewall chassis mount, driver, V8 motor and unique grill and headlight assemble and some others. Racing these cars is Vintage Slot Car Racing at it's best !

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 04:04 PM

Nice group Gary, 3 Deuces are hard to beat :good:

 

One more helpful hint. If you need a driver for this car you can get one molded in red in the Monogram Firebolt model kit that was reissued sometime back but still can be found. Same driver for the MGA as well,


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 04:18 PM

Thanks Joe, I compared the Deuce and MGA drivers and the Deuce is a bit taller. Thanks for the tip about the Firebolt ! I will check it out.



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Posted 26 April 2015 - 05:17 PM

Gary, I stand corrected. Sorry for the misinformation. I just looked at the two and indeed the MGA guy is shorter. I never compared them side by side.

 

Now I am looking for my Firebolts to compare. I had an original and a reissue here but may have sold them. I will continue to look. Now I am very curious as to which version, short or tall is in the Firebolt.  

 

 

Update, I typed Monogram Firebolt in Google and some open box images come up. Looks like the "tall" guy to me which would be good for the Deuce. 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 06:51 PM

A 32 frame is on Ebay now. It is not described as such, but that's what it is and it is just listed as an old frame.
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Posted 27 April 2015 - 01:15 AM

Couldn't find it, can you supply # or more info ?



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Posted 27 April 2015 - 07:40 AM

I can't give you any more info, I just ran across it sometime the last couple days while going thru the various vintage slot car listings. I didn't save the auction or anything. It might have been a buy it now and somebody jumped on it allready. Have you searched all three vintage listings?
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Posted 30 April 2015 - 11:43 AM

Fellas,

 

 What a great amount of info on this thread ...the upside down chassis (had me baffled for years), the FIREBOLT driver ( my MGA WILL have a driver after all) and the great pics of the red roadsters . :good: :good: :good:

 

 

Thanks for sharing !!!


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Posted 10 May 2015 - 02:20 AM

Glad to be of some help ! I actually ran across this thread while searching for box art on Google. It is really in the wrong forum and has the wrong title. It should have been in "Vintage Slot Cars", and it is not called the Lil Deuce, which is a 1/24 model kit (actually called Little Deuce) Just to confuse matters more, there is a Big Deuce 1/8 scale and a 1/24 1932 Ford Deuce Roadster Drag Hot Rod. The slot car was called the Racing Deuce Roadster, or Deuce Roadster or the "Hot Rod" Besides all these, there is a Lil Deuce Coupe and at least 1 roadster model from Monogram in 1/24.







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