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#1 Mike Patterson

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 08:30 PM

I went to buy a new can of lighter fluid today, and discovered naphtha is no longer an ingredient. Ronsonol now contains a "light petroleum distillate", and Zippo is made with a "synthetic isoparaffinic hydrocarbon". Does any one know why this change has taken place?

And how hard is it to pry the spout off of an existing can, so it can be refilled?

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 08:33 PM

Not real hard, off a plastic Ronsonol bottle, with a good screwdriver.

You do have to hold on to the bottle pretty firm to snap the top back on.

I wouldn't fill it up to the top.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 08:52 PM

I carry a small bottle with an eyedropper cap on my slot box.
I get just the amount of naptha that I need, right where it's needed. :rolleyes:
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Posted 08 June 2011 - 09:27 PM

I went to buy a new can of lighter fluid today, and discovered naphtha is no longer an ingredient. Ronsonol now contains a "light petroleum distillate", and Zippo is made with a "synthetic isoparaffinic hydrocarbon". Does any one know why this change has taken place?

And how hard is it to pry the spout off of an existing can, so it can be refilled?

The EPA and lawyers? That would be my first guess. Check out the links below. Benzene is/was a component of the original Ronsonol. The second link describes a newer Ronsonol. Benzene is a big no-no now days.

The synthetic isoparaffinic hydrocarbon (this is redundant doubletalk) is still close to what was used. What this says is that it's a branched straight-chained and saturated hydrocarbon compound. As opposed to a mixture of various petroleum compounds which also contained benzene (an aromatic ring-chained molecule).

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 08:46 AM

We can still buy naphtha at Lowes up here in NH. I buy it in quart cans but it's not cheap. As I recall, the last time I bought some it cost me around $12 for a quart.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 08:51 AM

I went to buy a new can of lighter fluid today, and discovered naphtha is no longer an ingredient. Ronsonol now contains a "light petroleum distillate"

The "official" ORS Ronsonol that was purchased last year contains naphtha.

Now don't be stealing a can at the next race. ;) :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 09:37 AM

Potahtoe... potaytoe.

Definitions for "Petroleum Distillates"... Low boiling or light petroleum distillates (LPD) are highly volatile mixtures of hydrocarbons. These mixtures are sometimes called ligroin, petroleum ether, or naphtha...

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 09:41 AM

We can still buy naphtha at Lowes up here in NH. I buy it in quart cans but it's not cheap. As I recall, the last time I bought some it cost me around $12 for a quart.

Strange price variation... My local Lowes has it for $12.48 a gallon.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 10:05 AM

Wow, that is a huge difference, Jim! My local Lowes doesn't offer it by the gallon for some reason. My guess is that they don't sell enough of it to make it worth stocking it by the gallons.

I'll have to ask the next time I go; perhaps they can order it for me.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 10:37 AM

Vic, any paint store will carry it by the gallon.
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Posted 09 June 2011 - 11:04 AM

Thanks, John. I'll have to check into that. I use it not only for building, but I also use it to clean the track. ;)

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 11:16 AM

Any paint store except the one in my strip mall. They don't carry it at all.

Naphtha just doesn't seem to be that necessary to the general public.

I have to go to Menard's and get it for $12.99 a gallon. The much closer Home Depot only sells it in quarts for $7.98(?) or about $32 for a gallon's worth.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 11:27 AM

I have always bought VM&P Naphtha at my local Ace hardware store. If I remember correctly I purchased a gallon for $7.99.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 11:34 AM

If you pay close attention... recently producers of such "chemicals" are starting to go to smaller "more convenient" sizing of product to get more money and ship more containers in less space... lowering shipping costs and "Haz Mat" fees. Let's them make more profit in the long run any way you slice it.

Thinners, resins, etc., are all going to this new trend.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 11:37 AM

I have always bought VM&P Naptha at my local Ace hardware store. If I remember correctly I purchased a gallon for $7.99.

AFAIK, all naphtha bought at chains is the V,M & P type. I don't think I've ever seen any other kind.

When I opened in 2005, it was $7.48 a gallon at Menard's and probably about $5.50 or $6 a quart at Home Depot. It's crept up about a $1 a year since, for a gallon.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 11:38 AM

I have to run out this afternoon, I'll check my local Ace hardware just for the heck of it to see if they carry it.

BTW Swiss is right, Jennie said the last quart she picked up for me at Lowes was $7.98 per quart, and they didn't stock gallons.
At $7.98 per quart, I wouldn't want to buy a gallon anyways. :rolleyes: OK, so I'm cheap. :laugh2: :laugh2:
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Posted 09 June 2011 - 11:42 AM

Did ya check at Walmart???

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 11:50 AM

BTW, Don Perko told me a story about going to a race in the '80s and running out of gas. Everyone dug in their box and were able to squirt enough lighter fluid in the gas tank to get them to the next station.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 11:52 AM

Did ya check at Walmart????

I did a while back, Ron, and at that time they didn't carry it.
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Posted 09 June 2011 - 01:00 PM

Back in 2001 I could buy VM&P Naphtha at my local paint store for $18 for a five gallon bucket. I checked the internet and it now sells for about $53 (retail)for the same can!!!

Check a mom and pop paint store; they always have the five gallon buckets in stock, at least here. I just called my local paint store, they sell it for $46/5 gal...

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 01:34 PM

Lowes has it around here (Northern, VA, area) for $12 something a gallon. Sherwin Williams gets $21 a gallon. Wally World doesn't carry it. I'll have to check Ace.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 02:22 PM

I have no problem buying lighter fluid at my local Kroger grocery store...
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Posted 09 June 2011 - 05:59 PM

(music) Where has all the naphtha gone?

... Long time passing...

(music) Where has all the naphtha gone?

... Long long time ago...

(music) Where has all the naphtha gone?

... Gone to EPA everyone... :D
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Posted 09 June 2011 - 08:40 PM

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

I know I can get naphtha at Lowe's, I was just wondering why it disappeared from lighter fluid after all these years.

I've got some Zippo with the SIH, and the stuff feels and smells different. I was reluctant to try the Ronsonol, for fear it would be another poor substitute. Hence my question on "reloading" the containers I already have.

Does Coleman fuel still have naphtha in it?

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 09:10 PM

Coleman fuel is a highly refined pure form of Nnphtha. Naphtha is also called white gas, this is unleaded gasoline at its purest form with no additives. And yes, it all contains benzene. Benzene isn't a recent no-no, it was taken off of the market in the '70s; at that time only labs could buy it in small quantities. Benzene is in almost every aromatic hydrocarbon. my guess is that the new lighter fluid has less in it than the old.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 09:58 PM

... Long time passing...

... Long long time ago...

... Gone to EPA everyone... :D

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 10:04 PM

Mike,

I was singing that song to myself as I was scrolling down the page.

You ruined it for me. :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 05:42 PM

All naphtha is the same. The VW&P stands for "varnish makers and painters" naphtha. As far as Coleman fuel (white gas) goes it is a petroleum-based product (oil) as with many raceways go. The Coleman fuel leaves a residue on the track whereas naphtha dries clean like a brake cleaner.

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 05:49 PM

Modern Coleman fuel is basically naphtha...

Hydrotreated Light Distillate, CAS # 68410-97-9, OSHA-500 ppm, 100.0
This product contains:
*Cyclohexane, CAS # 110-82-7, OSHA-300 ppm, ACGIH-300 ppm
*Nonane, CAS # 111-84-2, ACGIH-200 ppm
*Octane, CAS # 111-65-9, OSHA-400 ppm, ACGIH-300 ppm
*Heptane, CAS # 142-82-5, OSHA-500 ppm, ACGIH-400 ppm
*Pentane, CAS # 109-66-0, OSHA-1000 ppm, ACGIH-600 ppm

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 06:13 PM

Yeah, more "straight" than "refined" naphtha. Using Coleman will leave the track slick versus using VMP naphtha.





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