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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:21 PM

After looking at it some more, I decided another coat of epoxy was needed. The track surface was not consistently glossy. Most likely, I used too much reducer on the first coat. So, today I stopped at Sherwin Williams and picked up more epoxy and hardener and laid down another coat. This one will dry glossy, for sure. Already, it looks much better. Pix tomorrow!

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 07:34 PM

Good to hear Henry... Hey any chance of stopping by tomorrow to check your place out..? when are you there i'm free all day Thanks
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 11:11 PM

I plan on being there around 9 to check on the paint, perhaps remove the tape and clean up a few edges. I should be there until noon, go grab a quick bite and head back. We're fixing up the office space, rehabbing the King, and finishing the Hillclimb. I'll shoot you a PM with my cell number...

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 09:06 PM

Henry was good to stop by and meet you today. place is really looking good cant wait to turn some laps..
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Posted 15 December 2011 - 08:17 PM

Robert,

Thanks for stopping by. It was good to meet you, too! Yesterday, I was able to accomplish what I set out to do, and before I left, my brother and his son delivered the three tall, white display cases and four glass counter display cases that were part of the Hillclimb purchase. Since it was no fun watching paint dry, I decided to clean them. I started with the tall display cases, cleaning the surfaces. I also hung one of the pegboards and cleaned and hung the glass doors. Next up were the glass counter cases. They were not so hard to clean, but very heavy to move. With the help of two furniture dollies, I was able to move them around until I was reasonably happy with the configuration:
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Here's a few sections of the Hillclimb, gleaming with a drying coat of fresh epoxy. The markings on the side walls were from the landscaped infield the previous owner had installed. While the landscape was nicely done, with trees and stuff, I thought it was too fragile for a racing environment. In it's place will be a carpeted infield.:
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There is an orange peel texture to the finish, which I'm sure is unavoidable with this coating. The appearance is similar to the tracks I saw at Modelville several months ago. I've read about (and heard of) the practice of cross sanding the corners to give them more bite and decrease the dependency on glue. In theory, light spray glue should be all that is needed to hook up, if at all? It sounds like a good idea, but before I commit it would be nice to hear from others (good/bad? technique?). Below is a closer shot of the track surface:
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The finish has set up nicely and is uniformly glossy, as it should be. That means I can get to striping and braiding early next week. I missed a few spots in the gains, so tomorrow I'll mix up a few tablespoons of epoxy and touch them up. The touch ups should be fine for striping by Monday, Tuesday at the latest. I'm making a custom guide for the Buegler striper using a guide flag and some metal rod. I'll post pix when it's finished...

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 09:20 AM

Henry,
The epoxy finish on our Gerding track looks very similar to yours, and has good bite. Depending on what we're running, we sometimes use a very light mist of spray glue but that's not very often needed. I think you'll prob find the same thing.

The place is really starting to take shape !!

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 09:22 PM

Henry,
The epoxy finish on our Gerding track looks very similar to yours, and has good bite. Depending on what we're running, we sometimes use a very light mist of spray glue but that's not very often needed. I think you'll prob find the same thing.

The place is really starting to take shape !!

Vic


Vic,

That's what I thought! The paint has definitely hardened up a lot since it was painted. It could be striped but for one thing: the two lane colors I am missing (purple & black) won't get here until next week. I thought I had all the colors, but originally bought the one shot colors needed for a six lane track. I suppose I could have mixed up purple from red and blue, and maybe black, too - but I wanted enough left of each color to also do the King. Note the shiny surface below, and the sanded outer walls:
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While waiting for paint to dry, I filled the cases with the product we have. There are a lot of bodies, NASCAR from 93-03, GTP, and a few for wing cars. There's also a bunch of Flexi 2 & 3 chassis and parts. I am mentally putting together the list of stuff we'll need to support our racing series (bodies, chassis, tires, RTR's, etc.) as well as every day needs (oil, tools, tape, solder, etc.). We're going to redo the toe kick, and stripped it from one section to see what was underneath it. Even so, the cases look a lot nicer with stuff in them, we just need more stuff!
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After much thought about the depth of the Kings's gains, we're going to try a test. Using and 1/8" thick foam, we'll cut 1/2" wide strips. Those strips go in the slot and the bondo will fill flush to the surface. In theory, we could route the foam out using a bit rounded over on the end (so it won't cut but will follow an existing slot). Then we could route with a standard recess router bit (3/4" with a 1/8" pin in the end). I did source some thicker braid that could also work. The sample I received, when laid in the gain, would leave an acceptable recess from the surface. The thicker braid is undoubtedly a lot more expensive per foot than standard braid, which makes things interesting. It would be a lot less work than filling and routing the gains. However, price and potential installation difficulties make the first option worth a look.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 09:05 AM

Henry,
Don't forget to stock up on motors and motor parts according to what you'll be running for classes. A lot of guys like to have quite a few back up motors, arms, brushes, springs, ect.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 05:04 PM

Hey Henry,

I think i see my new car sitting in the case and body hanging on the wall..

Bob
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 06:20 PM

I usually only sell the 3M 9469PC .005" VHB adhesive transfer tape for bonding the braid but 3M also makes some foam core VHB tapes: 5925 .025" thick and 4949 .045" thick.

They're pricier than the 9469 but these should work for dealing with braid shoulders that are too deep.

I've ordered some samples to test, you might consider doing the same, eh? Try RS Hughes.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 05:40 PM

I usually only sell the 3M 9469PC .005" VHB adhesive transfer tape for bonding the braid but 3M also makes some foam core VHB tapes: 5925 .025" thick and 4949 .045" thick.

They're pricier than the 9469 but these should work for dealing with braid shoulders that are too deep.

I've ordered some samples to test, you might consider doing the same, eh? Try RS Hughes.


Jim,

Thanks for the pointer! I'll follow up to see what I can find. The thick braid I found (from Continental Cordage) could do the trick, but I feel it would be better to first attempt to repair the recesses. The thicker braid should have a longer lifespan as the individual strands are larger in diameter than in the standard braid, which is something in it's favor.

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 06:57 PM

The epoxy on the Hillclimb has cured nicely, so my brother and I assembled the track for striping. However, underneath the overhead sections would be difficult (at best) to stripe with the track were fully assembled. The transition and two straight sections are set aside to be striped separately.
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For striping, one shot paints are the best:
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I used a Buegler pinstriper with a 1/4" wide head to do my home track. Below is a guide I made from 1/8" steel rod, a ring terminal, and a used guide stem. There's a little too much play in the slot, but nothing a little tape wrapped around the blade won't cure.
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Here's my son's hand holding the striper, which is pushed forward. As the roller delivers the paint, it makes a sharp line - plus you can see the paint coating the wheel before it gets laid down.
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Posted 28 December 2011 - 07:41 PM

Things are starting to get colorful! Finished 6 of 8 lanes today, with only purple and black to go:

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Once the last two lanes are done, I'll paint the outer and inner walls. Then it's on to the 3M tape!

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 03:57 PM

Striped purple and black today to finish that step. To make striping easier I reversed the guide flag so the leading edge was even with the striper. Tomorrow, after vacuuming and wiping down with a tacky cloth, I'll mask and paint the inner and outer walls. Over the weekend, I'll get some 3M tape laid down - probably finish on Monday. Have to pick up some more naptha to degrease the braid so it will form a secure bond with the adhesive.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 06:55 AM

Hi Henry,
I have been following your progress and things are looking very nice.I and a few friends are definitly interested in joining and personally I have never raced on a commercial track and am excited to see a track going up a little closer than others around.I will keep an eye out for your opening.
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Posted 30 December 2011 - 10:32 AM

Henry

It's really taking shape I even had Santa get me a car to race (my wife she's the Greatest)... But as you know Boys & toys you gotta have more than one.. any idea's on a planned Grand opening ?

Lastly how's your other track coming along or have you been putting in all your time on the Hillclimb first.. by the way Great job track is looking FUN..
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Posted 30 December 2011 - 06:17 PM

Hi Henery, I have stop by a couple of times to meet everyone. Just At the wrong time. Looks like all your work is starting to pay off. It sure looks great ! Larry

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 08:45 PM

Hi Henry,
I have been following your progress and things are looking very nice.I and a few friends are definitly interested in joining and personally I have never raced on a commercial track and am excited to see a track going up a little closer than others around.I will keep an eye out for your opening.
Dan


Dan,

Thanks for the interest! I'll be sure to let you know when the doors open. Should be soon...

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 08:50 PM

Henry

It's really taking shape I even had Santa get me a car to race (my wife she's the Greatest)... But as you know Boys & toys you gotta have more than one.. any idea's on a planned Grand opening ?

Lastly how's your other track coming along or have you been putting in all your time on the Hillclimb first.. by the way Great job track is looking FUN..


Robert,

Gotta love a wife who is an enabler, eh? The walls are painted in satin black enamel, same color as OEM. Looks really good against the graphite racing surface. My plan is to be all braided and wired up by the end of next week. Also put a banner on the sliding entry door that has the Pioneer Valley Slot Club logo on it (cool!). Definitely will let everyone know when the doors are going to open.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 08:52 PM

Hi Henry, I have stop by a couple of times to meet everyone. Just At the wrong time. Looks like all your work is starting to pay off. It sure looks great ! Larry


Hi Larry,

Thanks for the kind words. :) I'd be happy to show you our tracks sometime, just let me know when you'd be likely to visit.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 01:05 AM

Took off all the blue masking tape today. Have to touch up a few spots, but it looks a lot nicer now!
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Made sure the slot openings were clear of paint, using an old guide flag wrapped with 220 grit sandpaper. It was just enough to smooth the gains while also removing out any errant epoxy. I went over the track with a vacuum cleaner, and then wiped down the gains and surface with isopropyl alcohol. Then, the first roll of 3M tape was applied...
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I also put the banner with the logo on the door! However, the website is not yet finished, so I haven't uploaded it yet.
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So long as my back holds out, I'll be laying tape tomorrow. If I can finish the taping this week, the braiding will take a 2-3 days - including cutting braid to length, rinsing each piece with naptha (or acetone?), and allowing sufficient time to dry before applying.

Power is going to be an interesting issue. For practical reasons, and likely fire marshall reasons, batteries are not going happen. For the Hillclimb, my plan is to go with twin 75 amp Iota suppplies, with a 1 farad capacitor to provide extra capacity in start up situations. While thinking about the King, i found a thread on an R/C forum on the use of computer server power supplies for charging, etc. The main feature of these supplies is ultra clean, high amperage power. I saw somewhere in a thread that guys were running lower voltage server supplies in serial to get up to race voltages with serious amperage. So I did a little searching and found readily available supplies that output 12.2vdc @ 164 amps. With a minor mod, the voltage is adjustable up to 14.6vdc. So, I bought 4 supplies for $50 + $18 shipping. Worse case: they are cheap bench power. My goal is to make a swappable system, where I could pull out a bad unit and insert a new one - quickly (like at a race!). Searching ebay again, for $75 I bought a used server frame - the one the supplies lived in - hoping for connectors, slides, etc. As luck would have it, that frame also came with 4 supplies. Bonus! In theory, I could run the King with 8 supplies, each one providing 164 amp per lane. Perhaps a little much? Yeah, I thought so... Most likely, I'll just go with one supply / pair of lanes. After all, how many cars draw more than 82 amps in a spike?

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 06:40 PM

Hey Henry,

I know we use computer power supplies all the time as power source for our RC chargers they are way cheaper.. I believe I have two old computers in the Man room that might still have power supply's in them your more than welcome to them to give them a try.. Any chance you'll be at the track tomorrow I could drop them off.. That and I am in need of some 3/32 oilites for a drag car i'm building..?? I'll give you a call in the am if you dont see this before then.. Track is looking Good..
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 10:53 PM

Hey Henry,

I know we use computer power supplies all the time as power source for our RC chargers they are way cheaper.. I believe I have two old computers in the Man room that might still have power supply's in them your more than welcome to them to give them a try.. Any chance you'll be at the track tomorrow I could drop them off.. That and I am in need of some 3/32 oilites for a drag car i'm building..?? I'll give you a call in the am if you dont see this before then.. Track is looking Good..


I will be there tomorrow to finish laying tape on all the sections with curves in them. They take the longest, so I'm saving the easiest for last. I appreciate the offer of the supplies, but I'm pretty well set on that front. The power supplies I acquired are from IBM Blade servers, and were designed to deliver more current than would ever be required of them. They also provide clean DC power, with no AC ripple that is harmful to motors. These are pulls from working environments, and they're plentiful and cheap. The total investment so far is less than the cost of a 75 amp Iota supply. For that I get 82 amps/lane (656 amps total) and have 4 spare supplies on hand. The server chassis has a sub assembly for the power supply, fans, and misc. stuff, which will form the basis of a smaller enclosure and retain the ability to swap supplies in and out. Each supply will still plug into a connector, only it will route the power to output terminals instead of server stuff. Additionally, each supply will be adjustable from 12.2v-14.6v (max) and metered to insure identical voltage across the track. Now, if only everything works as it should... :on_the_quiet2:

I might have some 3/32" oilites somewhere on the wall, if not in my personal stash.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 07:34 AM

Hi Henery, I service stores in the Chicopee area so I stopped by around 1 p.m . I would stop by in the area between 1 p.m to 3:30 p.m most Tuesday, Thursday or on Friday.I need to find a easier place to park. Entrance a little tight with the box truck , [right turn into lot was a test ]
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 10:38 AM

Larry,

Sounds good! I'm heading over today after lunch to finish the 3M tape. My back can't wait for this phase to be completed. Yes, the turn into the lot from the bridge is a tight one, even for my Mini Cooper. There is an alternate way into the complex, which is the only way to get in after 6pm or on the weekend as the gate on the bridge is closed. The other entrance is at the other end of the complex, near the 391 overpass. The easiest way is take exit 2 on 391, bear right off the ramp and get into the far left lane. At the light, turn left on to Center St. Follow to the end and turn right on Exchange St. The Red Fez will be on your right. Take the first left, Depot St., and follow to where Rt. 391 passes overhead. Turn right into the rear access of the complex and follow to the far end, to Loading Dock #1. Enter the door next to the loading dock, follow to the main hall and turn left. We are about 100' down the hall on the right (you can't miss the banner on the door.

Look forward to seeing you one of these days.

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Henry

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