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#1 Jairus

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 10:34 AM

According to Rod & Custom race report Nov '66 the primary chassis construction materials still listed as brass tubing. While a few builders began experimenting with brass rod and thus lowering their CG. However, after the first Car Model '67 race Gene Husting reported that all the cars entered were constructed with brass rod. Cars weighing two or three ounces more were now cutting the lap times a full one second!

Something changed peoples minds that winter of '66 and the attached pic I managed to match up to a Ron Quintana car but have been unable to suggesting he never raced it. On the web site where I pulled it from the host labeled it from 1965 but I believe that to be incorrect.

The chassis style matches what Team Russkit was using late 1966, per the Independent Scratchbuilder.

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Below Steve Okeefe's drawing nearly matches the photo other than the guide lead length and lack of a guide weight.

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Since chassis were gravitating toward heavier designs I swapped the brass tube for rod just because of the addition of a guide weight!
So I think the car in the pic is nothing more than a test car that was never raced but may have been instrumental in the migration to heavier chassis construction.

Some parts were collected and since this chassis is to be slightly heavier I asked John Havlicek to wind something a little hotter. ;)

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Wheels and inserts are Russkit, same width and diameter as the rules of the day dictate.

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I searched and searched for a mint unpainted Russkit Chaparral body, but had to settle on this pre-painted one. Some careful detailing and decaling I think it will meet expectations.

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The finished chassis.

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I can see here that I have one change to possibly make. The guide lead as it sits in the little pic shoves the guide way out and ahead of the body. I don't know if this is legal or was the car just a test mule that Quintana "pushed the rules with" in order to test new ideas?

I went with 3/4" guide lead in order to "keep it under cover", but that can be changed.

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I liked it so much I made two!

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Next: Time to assemble. B)

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 10:39 AM

Jairus,

Indeed Dennis David is in error, that Chaparral was built in 1967, not 1965.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 01:55 PM

Very SWEEEET
You build like a Jackrabbit, Jairus :D
If I could work that fast I would quit my night job ;)
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Posted 03 November 2011 - 08:30 PM

That's sweet Jairus, me really likes it! :D .

Speaking of sweet, wait until you guys see the Carrera 6 Jairus did for me.....HOLY SMOKES!

It arrived safe and sound today. Thank you Jairus :)

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 09:16 PM

I would think the guide is under the body. It is probably just under the front of the body. Please don't change your chassis they are cool.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 11:40 PM

Nice frames!

What changed people's minds in the winter of '67 was Arco magnets becoming widely avialable. They were very harsh driving magnets by making so much more torque than Hemi, French, or Mabuchi magnets. The motors required some pretty hot winds to match the magnetic field and that made the motors more "jumpy". Good ole weight was a working bandaid!
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:51 AM

Jairus, just curious.

Why didn't you build the Quintana chassis more exactly as per the picture examples above (Dennis David's
picture and Steve O'Keefe's drawing), i.e. with a cross tubing for body mounting behind the motor, instead
of the two mid-motor half tubings? More like this:

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(Sorry, I didn't have the patience to remove and clean up all of the old soldering when moving the tubing rearward. :D )
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 05:19 AM

Look at the picture again, he has it right. The rear pin tube is approximately where the can and end bell join not behihind the motor bracket.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:57 AM

Thanks Tony, but I think I DID screw up. Not as much as Bertil suggests... but I did place the pin tube on the WRONG side of the locating pin before soldering. Easy fix.
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Thanks Bertil! ;)

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 12:53 PM

Okay, I fixed the rear pin-tube location and reassembled the chassis. Now I think it fits the pic better. Time to paint a driver and detail the body. (My favorite part)
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Also installed the Russkit wheel inserts.
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 01:20 PM

Also installed the Russkit wheel inserts.

Strombecker... ? :)

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 01:58 PM

Well, they were sold to me as Russkit and were are all I had since Al no longer responds to my emails.

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 02:30 PM

Jairus,
Fortunately the Russkit inserts are not too rare, so you should be able to find some along the way. They are the same as used on the injected-plastic Russkit Ferrari 156 kit, their ISO Grifo body kit, and can be found quite often in some of their other body kits. There are also some repros made in Australia.
This is what they look like: CLICK HERE.
Unfortunately this seller must have believed that they were made of 24-karat gold! :shok:

The Strombecker will do for now. :)

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:19 PM

I can hook you up Jairus my friend ;) .

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:21 PM

There you go, Rick to the rescue! :)

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:23 PM

Drugs? Sex? Inserts?

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:47 PM

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 10:24 PM

Sirs, this may not pertain to this car, but it may help in the future:

http://scenesunlimit....com/index.html

I have not ordered from this guy but it does say they are 1/24 scale, and I don't see any min order $ amount.

Another side note, Tom Andersen told me his inserts are 5/8 OD, that is wrong, they mike about .497

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 10:27 PM

Wow, cool stuff Pablo. Wish I still had my model bench set up. I miss building static stuff that doesn't get picked apart... jes saying.

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 11:05 PM

Drugs? Sex? Inserts?

I have some Russkit inserts for you if you want them :)

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 10:06 AM

Wish I still had my model bench set up. I miss building static stuff that doesn't get picked apart... jes saying.


Well, being picky, and really to bring to other's attention, did you file off the drop arm where it attaches to the 3/32nds tubing. If not it'll be hanging .014 below the frame rails.
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Posted 06 November 2011 - 10:10 AM

Sorry, I was tired and frustrated.
I appreciate the help from all of you, even P.

What 3/32" tubing? The drop arm hinge is 1/16" pin tube hinged on .032 rod. Everything is flush.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:17 AM

Jarius - From the "outside, looking in"...

Great to see you re-creating a great car. I raced with Ron for years and always admired his ability to out-build and out-drive us.

For me, the years from '64 to '67 were wonderful and fun times, chock full of great memories.

Thanks for doing this!

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:24 AM

Hum, I've never seen a drop arm that didn't use 3/32nds or 1/8th inch tubing for the pivot. See something new every few years I suppose.
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 06:24 PM

Finished the Ron Quintana car today. Since I didn't trim and shoot the color I cannot take credit for the final look. I did detail paint an interior that more accurately portrayed the little picture at the beginning of this thread. But the body was cut too short at the bottom I felt. Other than that... it looks pretty good considering.
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Motor was re-wound by John Havlicek, 55 turns of #29 wire. Mild but healthy, should push this car around the track pretty nicely.
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On to the next project! B)
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