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[Jonathan Stiener]

So I was going thru\ough all my old slot stuff from when I raced in the mid-'90s. I came across a Champion 4' Turboflex chassis which is in great shape, put it on a block and it is very straight/flat. So I figured it would make a good chassis to build off of for an upcoming Flexi race.

But to keep on topic for this forum, it also had a Trinity Slotworks motor in it with a brown endbell on it. I have been unable to find any info on this motor. If I were to freshen it up, how would it compare to the Parma Super 16D or the JK Hawk 7? Do you think it would be competitive in a Flexi race, or am I better off buying one of the aforementioned options?

The track is a 145' Hillclimb with crossovers and good banked turns, so it's pretty fast, but the infield puts a premium on handling.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Jonathan

[Bill from NH]

Freshen up that motor then try it on the track, see how it runs, then determine if you want to use something else.

Slotworks used a bunch of different colored endbells, so I don't know what you actually have. Is your can one of the Midnights, or does it have the rectangular cooling holes top and bottom? The newer Parma EPX magnets are probably stronger than what you now have. But I like the Slotwork's endbell hardware better than Parma's.

Can you mix and match manufacturer's parts where you race, or does the complete motor have to use only one manufacturer's parts? Would it be legal to use the American wound S16D arms?

[Jonathan Stiener]

All very good questions!

This motor has the rectangular holes top/bottom, it also has an arrow that directs you which way to install the motor.

Owner is pretty tight on rules, but not sure on mixing hardware or the American arms. Where do you find those at? I have another motor from them which has I guess what I could describe as a cross threaded frame on top/bottom with a green endbell.

I will clean them out and see how they perform, but like you said, with the motors being so old, I would assume the magnets would be weaker, I will probably throw in a Hawk and go from there.

Thanks for the help..

[Ron Hershman]

This motor should be a Super 16-D motor/armature. If it has green colored coating on the arm stacks than that is what it is.

[flem1959]

Build a JK X25 with a Hawk7 and see how far this stuff has come.
There`s nothing wrong with fixing up an old car and running it for fun but it won`t be as fast as the new stuff.
If it was, everybody else would still be using it.

[tonyp]

The different colored endbells were different winds. Ron Hershman probably remembers which is which.

[Ron Hershman]

Why, yes I do... LOL.

If the motors are "original"...

Motors with "rectangular" hole pattern. Nickel-plated cans...

Red endbell - 16D.
Brown endbell - Super 16D.

These motors also came with "short stack" arms in both 16D and Super 16D versions.

Midnite series... X hole pattern... nickel-plated and black cans...

Green endbell, nickel can - 16D unbalanced.
Brown endbell, nickel can - S16D balanced.
Black endbell, black can - Short stack "outlaw" S16D balanced.
Purple endbell, black can - Short stack "outlaw" 16D unbalanced, same wind as outlaw S16D.

Midnite AT series... all "Twister" style adjustable timing and nickle-plated cans...

Black endbell - 16D unbalanced.
Red endbell - 16D balanced (only 5,000 of these were made).
Black endbell - S16D balanced.

[flem1959]

I wish Trinity would get more involved in slot car racing again.

Maybe there are already enough suppliers for this tiny hobby anyway...

[Jonathan Stiener]

OMG! Wow, that was some awesome info!!

I know exactly what I have now, an unbalanced 16D Midnite motor and a Super 16D. Thanks, gents! This forum is full of info.

And I agree about the X25, but as of right now I know the owner is trying to keep things low cost, so Flexi 2-5 are the only things running on a weekly basis. This weekend though is a special event where they're having Retro f1 cars, and open Flexi/acura type cars where you can run any chassis. I would not really want to build a whole new car though for just one week... He said to show up though, and more than likely someone would have a spare car I could run.

In my first race in the Flexi 5 class last week, after a 16-year retirement? I came in fifth out of eleven guys with 215 laps, "3 min heats", so he was impressed with how well I ran with no real practice before the race!

Jonathan

[tonyp]

Ron, we made that many motors? Crap I don't remember that.

[flem1959]

OMG! Wow, that was some awesome info!!

I know exactly what I have now, an unbalanced 16D Midnite motor and a Super 16D. Thanks, gents! This forum is full of info.

And I agree about the X25, but as of right now I know the owner is trying to keep things low cost, so Flexi 2-5 are the only things running on a weekly basis. This weekend though is a special event where they're having Retro f1 cars, and open Flexi/acura type cars where you can run any chassis. I would not really want to build a whole new car though for just one week... He said to show up though, and more than likely someone would have a spare car I could run.

In my first race in the Flexi 5 class last week, after a 16-year retirement? I came in fifth out of eleven guys with 215 laps, "3 min heats", so he was impressed with how well I ran with no real practice before the race!

Jonathan

Sounds like you had fun anyway.
Where are you racing?

[Jonathan Stiener]

Here Mike, and yeah it was good fun. I brought a friend along to show him what it was all about and he had a blast too. Owner even let him borrow a controller and he used one of my cars to race..

http://slotblog.net/...way-south-bend/

[Ron Hershman]

Ron, we made that many motors? Crap I don't remember that.

Yep you did.....lol....and I didn't leave any out.

[Ron Hershman]

http://slotblog.net/...way-south-bend/

I have to get up there and run on that track....I love a Original Hillclimb with the cross overs. Dave is a great guy and I have known him for many years.

[Pete L.]

Fellas,

The Brown Beast and Green Demon motors were my saving grace during my slot racing years !!!

[Mike Jr]

Pete, I remember those motors at the old SpeedZone days in Hightstown racing on Frank`s oval.. before the american made arms came out...

[Phil Irvin]

Ron, we made that many motors? Crap I don't remember that.

HEHEHEHE...And just how old are we ?????? The first to go is memory.....I think!!!

OLPHRT
PHIL I.

[NJ Racer]

[flem1959]

That`s a cool track.
They had one like that at Hobby Unfair back in the day, but the braid was so bad you couldn`t race on it.

[Rick]

The good ole dayz.....................

[Mopar Rob]

The good ole dayz.....................

Roger has some hanging on a hook in his back room if you want to revisit them again LOL

[Jonathan Stiener]

I have to get up there and run on that track....I love a Original Hillclimb with the cross overs. Dave is a great guy and I have known him for many years.

Absolutely, he is indeed a good guy, matter of fact I believe I heard your name mentioned in conversation between him and another racer, and no I don't know what it was about But I believe it was positive in nature! Track is in great shape, and the racers we have are very friendly and laid back.

[Rick]

Roger has some hanging on a hook in his back room if you want to revisit them again LOL

I have a boatload myself. They changed the game putting the Super Magnets in the 16D's. Trinity was running ahead of the curve..............

[Les Boyd]

I have several Green and Brown motors. If you need an end bell let me know.
I still drag race two of the Slot-works motors a Brown Beast III and a Black Bat. Both are D can motors and they will slay a S16D any day.

[mdiv]

Nice track!