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#1 86ed once again

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:43 PM

I have a question regarding RetroPro. Is the Koford X12 arm legal? If not, why not?
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:52 PM

PdL has the explanation.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:53 PM

Only the Pro Slot X12 arm is legal. Why? I believe that the idea is to keep the class from being overrun by more and more expensive technology if there was a manufacturer's war.

Dan DeBella was the initial supporter of the class, and the class is faithful to him and his product.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 11:32 PM

This makes so much sense!
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 11:31 AM

We want to keep the cost down on arms so you may see a spec for arms soon. Something like .014" lams and minimum stack length and diameter with NO flaring allowed. This became rampant back in the Intl-15 days and a joke to have a stack limit but the USRA allowed it... but out here we will correct past mistakes.

Maybe a cost limit as well.

Dan has supported RetroPro from the start so we only allow his arms for now... but soon we could see others added as well as motor setups...?

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:59 PM

We are headed down the slippery slope with more changes. If you allow more arms and cans you risk obsoleting equipment and losing racers.

While I have a lot of respect for Koford equipment and do buy Koford products, it makes more sense to me to limit the class to the single motor and armature.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 02:17 PM

Yes, Mike, I agree with you... we have to be real careful with what is allowed. I have talked to Dan about the arm problem we had in I-15 years ago and he will do his part to keep a lid on this.

I get asked about the Koford arms all the time and the new JK motors. Not sure what will happen but I do not want to obsolete my or anyone's set-ups as well.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 02:27 PM

Note to all Retro Pro Racers for the Checkpoint race:

Only Pro Slot X12 .014" lamentation arms will be allowed as always for D3 racing with a minimum stack length of .350".

If you have a .007" lam arm it will not be allowed to run.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 09:38 PM

Cool, just thought I'd ask. :D
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 10:12 PM

Other than twice the thickness, what is the performance difference between the two lams?? Or is this merely a cost thing?? With a stack length of .350", it would take either 25 (.014") or 50 (.007") lams to make the stack; 25 should be cheaper to produce that 50. By the way you were commenting, I assume that current state of the art race arms run .007" lams.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 11:49 PM

The true X12 arms run 14-thou lamination. The .007", are effectively a distortion of the intention of the racing class and indeed are more expensive to produce and to sell to the customer.





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