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Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:44 PM

While the NASCAR tube-frame fake stock cars cannot even race in the rain, the real stock cars made of real car parts show their mettle in wet Bathurst 12-hour race in Australia. CLICK HERE.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:51 PM

You sound disappointed that you didn't get to see the races today and will have to take a half a day off work tomorrow to watch it. ;)


Do those cars in Australia go/get up to 200 MPH in a single lap??? At any point on the track???

The biggest reason for postponing is to NOT go "up against" the Oscars on TV tonight..... LOL

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:25 PM

PDL doesn't have to take a "day off" anymore!! He's RETIRED!! :victory:
She's real fine, my 409!!!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:31 PM

While the NASCAR tube-frame fake stock cars cannot even race in the rain, the real stock cars made of real car parts show their mettle in wet Bathurst 12-hour race in Australia. CLICK HERE.


Did Bathurst draw 200,000 spectators? Someone apparently likes 'fake' stock cars...

At times your comments are puzzling...

But, everyone is entitled to his opinion.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:40 PM

Gee, tell us how you really feel, Dokk. Do I detect just a tad bit of racing snobbery there?

There are many different types of racing from racing cockroaches to Formula 1. What you don't like, or even what I don't like, appeals to someone else, just like slot cars. At least they are racing...that's the attitude to have

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:55 PM

F1, WTC, BTCC etc etc etc all race when it gets wet........................

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:03 PM

Do those cars in Australia go/get up to 200 MPH in a single lap??? At any point on the track???


Yes they do, albeit for a short time since the straights only allow it once per lap. I wonder how a NASCAR brick would do with rain tires on that track. I know that the GT cars would do fine at full speed at Daytona since they race there, albeit in a series with little appeal to the masses.

Gee, tell us how you really feel, Dokk. Do I detect just a tad bit of racing snobbery there?


No, only regrets of what NASCAR used to be compared to what it is now. I LOVED NASCAR when they were running real cars. Not too much a fan of the current machinery, and the cost is becoming a bit stupid. A return to true stock car based machinery would be my choice, but hey, why arguing with the 200000 fans there while other tracks hosting NASCAR events cannot pay their bills.

Did Bathurst draw 200,000 spectators?


It generally does. It is a very popular venue, like Spa, Le Mans and the Nurburgring where real cars also race for 12 or 24 hours. The Nurburgring may pack as many as one million spectators over the event.

PDL doesn't have to take a "day off" anymore!! He's RETIRED!!


Damn right, and this is why I went racing yesterday, rain tires at all! Lovely day, sorry you missed it. :)

There are many different types of racing from racing cockroaches to Formula 1. What you don't like, or even what I don't like, appeals to someone else, just like slot cars. At least they are racing...that's the attitude to have


Indeed. I prefer staying away from cockroaches, but not a problem with me if someone enjoys their company. I actually was looking forward relaxing today and watching the "500". But Monday I got better things to do, I am going to try improving my golf game that definitely could stand improvement...

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:39 PM

F1, WTC, BTCC etc etc etc all race when it gets wet........................


Must be great fun for the spectators to get drenched in pouring rain...

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:47 PM

Must be great fun for the spectators to get drenched in pouring rain...

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Yes, they are not afraid of a shower like the Nascar fans are. :shok:
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:54 PM

Yes they do, albeit for a short time since the straights only allow it once per lap. I wonder how a NASCAR brick would do with rain tires on that track. I know that the GT cars would do fine at full speed at Daytona since they race there, albeit in a series with little appeal to the masses.


But, those cars don't 'average' nearly 200 MPH... correct? One would have to be a cretin to suggest competing in the rain on a high-banked oval tracks. Unless I have missed something, the Daytona Prototypes race on the road course...



No, only regrets of what NASCAR used to be compared to what it is now. I LOVED NASCAR when they were running real cars. Not too much a fan of the current machinery, and the cost is becoming a bit stupid. A return to true stock car based machinery would be my choice, but hey, why arguing with the 200000 fans there while other tracks hosting NASCAR events cannot pay their bills.

Racing in NASCAR is still more economical than F1, IndyCar, ALMS etc...

What tracks hosting NASCAR Cup events can not pay their bills? You may be correct, but is their documentation?




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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:56 PM

Yea. There's a lot to love when NASCAR ran "real cars", killed "real people" and you were sometimes lucky to have more than a few cars finnish on the lead lap.

BTW. They didnt run in the rain back then either.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:58 PM

Yes, they are not afraid of a shower like the Nascar fans are. :shok:

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At least NASCAR fans have enough common sense to come in out of the rain... LOL

Can't say the same from the bore course crowd.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:01 PM

Yea. There's a lot to love when NASCAR ran "real cars", killed "real people" and you were sometimes lucky to have more than a few cars finnish on the lead lap.

BTW. They didnt run in the rain back then either.


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It just 'seemed' more exciting back then...

Memories fade with age...

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:02 PM

Joe and I were disappointed after waiting 4hrs, but hey, what can ya do?
We'll be watching tomorrow for sure. Only problem is their saying bad weather tomorrow as well.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:13 PM

Well keep Tuesday's calendar clear...... LOL

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:15 PM

Yes they do, albeit for a short time since the straights only allow it once per lap. I wonder how a NASCAR brick would do with rain tires on that track. I know that the GT cars would do fine at full speed at Daytona since they race there, albeit in a series with little appeal to the masses.



No, only regrets of what NASCAR used to be compared to what it is now. I LOVED NASCAR when they were running real cars. Not too much a fan of the current machinery, and the cost is becoming a bit stupid. A return to true stock car based machinery would be my choice, but hey, why arguing with the 200000 fans there while other tracks hosting NASCAR events cannot pay their bills.



Well GT cars have a little more "downforce" built into them to run in the rain if necessary ;)

And as it's already been said.....back in the day when real drivers drove real cars....THEY DIDN'T RACE IN THE RAIN BACK THEN AND IN THE DAY!!!!!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:45 PM

NASCAR is for Girls!!!! :) :) :)


Just ask Dannycar.....

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:51 PM

Guy

It just 'seemed' more exciting back then...

Memories fade with age...

LM


You're right, LM. There's something to be said about death defying acts, like auto racing in the old days. Now, I sometimes feel like there's and air of complacency when cars are turned around at 180 MPH, sometimes on purpose.

Excitement?

One might be hard pressed to script a story more exciting than last year's NASCAR championship run between Stewart and Edwards.

Somehow todays videos take away some of the impression of speed. Take for example Kyle Busch, with sparks flying, multiple sideways excursions and saves. somehow it seemed like 80 MPH, not 180!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:52 PM

It all ahs to do with cornering speed. Road racing corner speeds, with a few exceptions, seldom exceed 100 mph, and on those corners that are fast, are single file, passing oppertunities are only on the slow corners, where passing is done under braking. When you're running turns at 190, or 220 like at Indy, racing in the wet just don't work. Plus when ever I raced in the rain, it was mostly just a parade, anyway. If I'm going to spend big bucks to go to a race, I sure would rather sit in a chair and be able to see all or at least a reasonable portion of the track, not just seeing the cars pass by me once a lap while sitting on a hillside especially in the rain. And, those Austrailian Super Cars are just a smaller, lighter version on the Nascar car, a purpose built tube frame chassis with the sheet metal draped orver top, but because they reach only 170 or so, and then for only a very short time, aero advantage is much less so a little more leeway in bodies is allowed. Their engine rules are just as restrictive as Nascar, too.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:01 PM

NASCAR is for Girls!!!! :) :) :)


Just ask Dannycar.....


LOL but Bernie and F1 would love to have Dannycar in their circus ;)

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:04 PM

Just loved to see danica throw another hissy fit. Fox called her a "world class" driver today. What a crock!! She is 2 out of 2 so far this week in wrecked cars!!! Can't wait to see what happens if she takes out Smoke, or JR. in some sort stupid crash. By the time she leaves Daytona tomorrow, she will be 3 out of 3!!!

Whats the score so far, out of 79 cars, and trucks in the two races so far. 54 or so have been wrecked by the end of the both races. Wonder what the count will be after the 500 or the 251 if it rains tomorrow. At least all the charities will TONS of bodywork to sell!!!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:09 PM

I think Dannycar had to go buy some new panties after the other night. :shok: :shok:
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:12 PM

Well, when their race has been called for rain, I sure know how to get them going, don't I? :laugh2:

And...

I think Dannycar had to go buy some new panties after the other night.


She is doing a fine job, give her a bit of time.

But, those cars don't 'average' nearly 200 MPH... correct?


Larry, that was not the question. However, if required, the GT cars could easily over-perform the NASCAR machines: same power or more, better aerodynamics, lighter weight... keep your delusions at home please and check the speed attained by CART cars on ovals: 240 MPH average is the record. That was like 12 years ago. A modern, unrestricted GT car will go just as fast... I.E. Bugatti or Koniggsegg. The limit becomes the tires, not the car...

Unless I have missed something, the Daytona Prototypes race on the road course...


The "road course" is composed of 2/3rd of the banked oval, and they do have rain tires and do not stop when the sky pisses a bit. The reason is tnhat the cars can handle the rain, where the big NASCAR cars simply do not have chassis technology able to cope with it.

Racing in NASCAR is still more economical than F1, IndyCar, ALMS etc..


Actually, if the costs in F1 are indeed silly, NASCAR does cost more over a season than IndyCar or ALMS.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:21 PM

She is 2 out of 2 so far this week in wrecked cars!!!


I guess you didnt watch the races.
McMurray came down on Amirola, who wrecked the first car.
Cole Whitt wrecked the 2nd car when he bumped it in the tri-oval.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:35 PM

Somehow todays videos take away some of the impression of speed. Take for example Kyle Busch, with sparks flying, multiple sideways excursions and saves. somehow it seemed like 80 MPH, not 180!


They have that on the starting line at some of those races "down under"

http://www.topgear.c...rash-2011-05-03

Nascar had the "Car of Tomorrow".....Aussie Super 8 has the "Car of the Future" coming next year.

http://www.v8superca...18/default.aspx

You sure the France family isn't running things down under PDL?

Looks like a Nascar "Spec" car to me.......even a spec tire ;)

http://www.v8superca...92/default.aspx

And rules just like Nascar..... http://www.v8superca...74/Default.aspx

Wow even more like Nascar

A V8 Supercar must have a front-engine design and rear-wheel drive.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:38 PM

Where's the "Like" button, Ron? :)

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:39 PM

Actually, if the costs in F1 are indeed silly, NASCAR does cost more over a season than IndyCar or ALMS.
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Sure Nascar costs more to run a season compared to Indy Car or ALMS..... Nascar Cup runs 36 races in a series/season...how many Indy Car races in a season?? 16??? ALMS......not sure, but maybe no more than 20 in a single series/season.

The more you races you run.....da more it costs.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:39 PM

I guess you didnt watch the races.
Cole Whitt wrecked the 2nd car when he bumped it in the tri-oval.


Looked like she got a little bump going into turn 3 in the Busch race to me. She got bumped a lot less than Kyle did in the Bud Shootout, and he saved it. Looks like she just over corrected it on the second of the two saves, and shot her into the top wall. I expected more from a "World Class" driver than that.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:41 PM

Where's the "Like" button, Ron? :)


LOL now when I hear those announcers say...... "those good old boys down south" I will be confused......are they talking about the boys down south in the U.S. or the boys way down south and down under......LOL

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:43 PM

Looked like she got a little bump going into turn 3 in the Busch race to me. She got bumped a lot less than Kyle did in the Bud Shootout, and he saved it. Looks like she just over corrected it on the second of the two saves, and shot her into the top wall. I expected more from a "World Class" driver than that.


First of all she is not "World class"

Second she was out there riding in front when she got a baby bump from behind and she got behind on the steering.

Dem big heavy stockers turn a bit slower than those Indy Cars.

She will tear up more stuff this year than 10 rookies combined would in their first year.

They need to put a horn on her car...it won't honk...it will say "Danica coming through....pull aside and get out of my way".

And of course none of these wrecks or any wreck she has been in....is never her fault.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:49 PM

Well, when their race has been called for rain, I sure know how to get them going, don't I? :laugh2:

True that... LOL Has been a bit boring on here. Are the ratings suffering?

And...



She is doing a fine job, give her a bit of time.

Agreed. She said the same thing in an interview today. Far different from racing IndyCar.



Larry, that was not the question. However, if required, the GT cars could easily over-perform the NASCAR machines: same power or more, better aerodynamics, lighter weight... keep your delusions at home please and check the speed attained by CART cars on ovals: 240 MPH average is the record. That was like 12 years ago. A modern, unrestricted GT car will go just as fast... I.E. Bugatti or Koniggsegg. The limit becomes the tires, not the car...

No delusions here... How about you. I asked if the The Australian cars 'average' 200 MPH? And your point about the speed of Indy cars on ovals? BTW... they don't race in the rain on ovals either.



The "road course" is composed of 2/3rd of the banked oval, and they do have rain tires and do not stop when the sky pisses a bit. The reason is tnhat the cars can handle the rain, where the big NASCAR cars simply do not have chassis technology able to cope with it.

And, the protoypes don't race on the full tri-oval inches apart at 'average' speeds of close to 200 MPH do they? Apples and oranges regarding the design of the cars.



Actually, if the costs in F1 are indeed silly, NASCAR does cost more over a season than IndyCar or ALMS.

IndyCar and ALMS only run a dozen races. How about a 'per race' cost break down, or a comparison of chassis, engine costs? we agree the cost of F1 is absurd...

Find the list of NASCAR tracks that aren't able to pay their bills?
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:52 PM

Sure Nascar costs more to run a season compared to Indy Car or ALMS..... Nascar Cup runs 36 races in a series/season...how many Indy Car races in a season?? 16??? ALMS......not sure, but maybe no more than 20 in a single series/season.
The more you races you run.....da more it costs.


Yes, and the point is, NASCAR costs more than IRL or ALMS. That was Larry's point and it was not a correct point. The rest becomes semantics... :)
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:53 PM

She wants a pay increase.....

2011 Highest paid drivers: Forbes.com estimated 2011 NASCAR driver annual earnings, Forbes earnings figures include driving salaries, personal endorsements, share of race winnings, licensing income and bonuses. The top-10:
1. Dale Earnhardt Jr.  $28 million
2. Jeff Gordon  $24 million
3. Tony Stewart  $22 million
4. Jimmie Johnson  $21 million
5. Carl Edwards  $15.5 million
6. Kevin Harvick  $14 million
7. Kyle Busch  $14 million
8. Danica Patrick  $12 million [indy car]
9. Matt Kenseth  $11.5 million
10. Kasey Kahne  $11 million

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:56 PM

And what have you got against that girl?


It would have been awesome if she had won at Indy the year she had the chance...she didn't and she hasn't come close since.

Of course Nascar would like nothing more than for her to win a race along with Dale Jr.

And we know what Bill M said about Sarah Palin and the same could be applied and said of Danica.

Weldon should have cleaned her clock when she came down and hit him.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:59 PM

Yes, and the point is, NASCAR costs more than IRL or ALMS. That was Larry's point and it was not a correct point. The rest becomes semantics... :)
And what have you got against that girl?


Please quote me correctly... I said NASCAR was more economical than F1 etc. And, NASCAR IS, on a per race basis. How else would you compare such a thing?

Please save the 'semantics' for D3 BoD meetings...

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:05 PM

Please save the 'semantics' for D3 BoD meetings...

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Oh snap!!! LOL

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:06 PM

It would have been awesome if she had won at Indy the year she had the chance...she didn't and she hasn't come close since.

Of course Nascar would like nothing more than for her to win a race along with Dale Jr.


Well, she at least did win one IndyCar race, and has a few top-10 Indy finishes on her resume.

There are a number of her former male open-wheel counterparts who can't say that... LOL

Of course NASCAR would like to see that pair do well. It, is, afterall, a marketing driven business.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:08 PM

Larry,
On a "per race" basis at the top level, NASCAR is still more expensive than IndyCar and ALMS.
In GT, NASCAR is GREATLY more expensive. Compare the operating costs of one Porsche GT3 with that of your average "Chevy" over the weekend, and basically it is more than 1/3rd what the "Chevy" or "Ford" or "Toyota" will cost you. I was discussing this over lunch just a few weeks ago with a TRD top-level engineering manager, and the money thrown at these machines every week is insane. You need $30 millions to run at the top in NASCAR today, you need 1.5 for running at the top in ALMS GT. Divide this by the number of races and see where the math is.

Please save the 'semantics' for D3 BoD meetings...


And, since you do not have a clue of what is being discussed in these meetings, you can certainly talk about it in an educated manner, right?

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:12 PM

You need $30 millions to run at the top in NASCAR today, you need 1.5 for running at the top in ALMS GT. Divide this by the number of races and see where the math is.





So one can run at the top in ALMS GT for the entire series/season for 1.5 million?

Yep it takes 30 million to run one team at the top in Cup for the entire series/season. 36 races that's less than a million per race.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:15 PM

Yes of course, how stupid would I be to question that $30 million is a smaller number than $1.5 million.

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#41 Larry Mattingly

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:18 PM

And, since you do not have a clue of what is being discussed in these meetings, you can certainly talk about it in an educated manner, right?


Only the spin you post about how wonderful things are in the land of milk and honey...

Having trouble finding the list of NASCAR tracks that can't pay their bills? I'm interested in that one.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:24 PM

First of all she is not "World class"

Second she was out there riding in front when she got a baby bump from behind and she got behind on the steering.


And of course none of these wrecks or any wreck she has been in....is never her fault.



You're being genorous, she was making her run to the back and running about 20th when she wrecked



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exL7uODL1vU



And she's such a class act

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3-y9kdQ-2U&feature=related



Now lets see if NASCAR gives her one of those "Detrimental to stock car racing" fines for her use of language? In addition, where was the interview after the incident? Seemed like she was hiding in her motor coach? I didn't think that was allowed?

Poor Joanna Long. Snowball Derby winner and running the full season and she probably won't even get metioned this year.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:29 PM

Now lets see if NASCAR gives her one of those "Detrimental to stock car racing" fines for her use of language? In addition, where was the interview after the incident? Seemed like she was hiding in her motor coach? I didn't think that was allowed?


You mean like they gave Kurt Busch last year???? LMAO that will never happen to the "Little Darling"

OK PDL so it costs 10 mil for Penske or Ganassi to run one car per season...... 10 mil divided by 16 races.....650,000 per race

Nascar 30 mil divided by 36 races....833,000 per race

I guess as long as there are sponsors paying the bills.... while it may cost a bit more per race to run Nascar...the return on the investment is way greater and larger than running in Indy Car.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:44 PM

Dunnycar is a marketer's delight :(


But she should be home, barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen getting her "hubby's" dinner ready :) :)

P.S. She does nothing for me what-so-ever, apart from when she tosses her toys out of the cot and has a hissy fit :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:50 PM

But she should be home, barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen getting her "hubby's" dinner ready :) :)


No Zip..... that's her hubby's job to do so :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Can you think what it's like to be married to a female like that?? Other than the money...what would be the use???

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:00 PM

You're being genorous, she was making her run to the back and running about 20th when she wrecked




And she's such a class act



Now lets see if NASCAR gives her one of those "Detrimental to stock car racing" fines for her use of language? In addition, where was the interview after the incident? Seemed like she was hiding in her motor coach? I didn't think that was allowed?

Poor Joanna Long. Snowball Derby winner and running the full season and she probably won't even get metioned this year.


A couple corrections:

After getting wrecked by her teammate, she was still scored in 20th as she entered the pit lane.

http://youtu.be/5EKm4XRUjU8


Wouldnt you be pissed?

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:04 PM

Marketing... Marketing.... Marketing...

Hey, she has more 'talent' than Paris Hilton, and Hilton reported she has 'earned' over three BILLION dollars doing whatever she does.

This is capitalist America gang.

Get what you can get...

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:10 PM

:laugh2:... Tempremental?

When Tony Stewart and Kevin Harvick do the same thing, they are referred to as 'real racers'. No one can be more pissy than Smoke when things aren't going his way... LOL

At least Danica hasn't been orded to take anger management classes... yet

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:18 PM

At least they found a driver with enough talent to put a NW car on the pole.

Dogmatic opinions aside, progress has been made, support has been gained on all fronts, and a lot of money is and will be made.

Opinion: Only time will tell if she will outperform Jr. Other "crossover" drivers have failed and fallen :laugh2: :laugh2:

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:28 PM

At least they found a driver with enough talent to put a NW car on the pole.




Maybe they didn't give it the "Chad Knaus" go over when it went through tech?? :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:





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