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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:08 PM

Philippe you are asking for a lot of NOS parts in your version of the rules. From our experience on this side of the pond it's very difficult to even find a correct "c"can. (most of ours would have been heavily modified to fit into 1/32 cars) I have a small number of Fass gears and when those are gone I will have to use modern plastic. I have never seen drop arms or pans since the 70's. I like your larger sized wheels and insistence on scale bodies, No iso's,|? your cut off date is earlier than ours, I dont think having rules that suit your needs is a bad thing, we can easily build chassis to the others rules if we compete against each other. This is my latest chassis to our UKRRA rules it's a 1972 iso.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:45 PM

Anyone have any Team Nutley swing arms and pans? I'd like to build a chassis from that era....
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:59 PM

I have a bran new Bob Kean motor that I got from Philippe In a swap for a couple of old chassis. What swing arms are the English guys using? They look just like the Nutley swing arms without the lettering. And who made the pans? It was neat to see the copys of my Tottenham chassis being re-created and raced in the 2000s... That's real retro....
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:44 AM

BOB are you ready start up the assembly line again,lol,Ill purchase the squirrels to run the belts of the assembly line,just gotta get a miniature fishing rod to dangle the acorn in front of them.(it doesnt have to have nutley stamped on it.(bob i know a 3rd world country where we can get all the parts produced for pennies,(copied and produced)
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:47 AM

Like the show Duck Dynasty,it will be slot car Dynasty.
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:03 AM

The reality show starts fllming as soon as bob gives the go ahead,guest stars to appear Tony P.,Philippe D.,Noose,and a cast of millions.
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 06:08 AM

The current RetroPro cars run pretty close to what the cars ran back in the '70s even without airdams. We have seen lap times as low as 3.2s.


Maybe...I for one want to see an old tech car on a modern track...with modern rubber, I'll bet it's faster than a retro pro car. Tracks now are swoopier, have better surface, no bumps, higher power, real lap timers and no staples holding the track braid together and no paint chips from the track surface inside the body and people remember to put water in the batteries...and on and on and on...

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 06:14 AM

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A good source of suitable pan and drop arms are from the NOS American Line RTR chassis, bought some direct a few years ago for not a lot of £ but have seen quite a few on Ebay over the recent past, UK dealer Phil Smith had some a while back..
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:26 AM

This kind of building and racing is way above my paygrade, but I'd love to see it happen. I'd even do a couple of arms for giggles if anyone needs one.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:27 PM

john ill get you the wire and epoxy my first order will be for single 23, double 26 and double 27 these arms jim greenaway made but i never got,no dyeing of laminates,silver soldered comms,no re enforcing of comm.how much and when can you have them,lol.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:44 PM

john ill get you the wire and epoxy my first order will be for single 23, double 26 and double 27 these arms jim greenaway made but i never got,no dyeing of laminates,silver soldered comms,no re enforcing of comm.how much and when can you have them,lol.

Unless they're using lotsa glue, them 23's aren't going to be the hot tip. Just sayin. . .


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:46 PM



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ooooooooh, baby! I gots a couple of those. Is this another proxy dealie?


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:32 PM

john ill get you the wire and epoxy my first order will be for single 23, double 26 and double 27 these arms jim greenaway made but i never got,no dyeing of laminates,silver soldered comms,no re enforcing of comm.how much and when can you have them,lol.

 

I've got plenty of wire and epoxy Bruce.  I can ALWAYS use commutators and stacks, but I have some of those also.  On these arms, you'd need to send them out to have them dynamically balanced is all.  I can often get real close using static balancing, but arms like these will self-destruct quick if they're off just a little. 

 

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:17 PM

I agree with Foamy that racing old 1970's Open cars need full glue and it is much better to use the current Retro Pro cars on spray glue. I have my old 1970's Open cars and I do not think that it would be fun racing them because when you crash the chassis tends to break and motors tend to burn up. I think that it is too much work for not much fun.

 

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:23 PM

 

I've got plenty of wire and epoxy Bruce.  I can ALWAYS use commutators and stacks, but I have some of those also.  On these arms, you'd need to send them out to have them dynamically balanced is all.  I can often get real close using static balancing, but arms like these will self-destruct quick if they're off just a little. 

 

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ok john you ve got the ML wire and the cotronics epoxy ive got it,ill get them trued and balanced how much?


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Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:32 PM

I have a bran new Bob Kean motor that I got from Philippe In a swap for a couple of old chassis. What swing arms are the English guys using? They look just like the Nutley swing arms without the lettering. And who made the pans? It was neat to see the copys of my Tottenham chassis being re-created and raced in the 2000s... That's real retro....

Hey bob could you post a photo of the kean kan motor(showing his winding work) i only met him once and only got to see his arms once and every winders arms are uniqually theres likes artists such as yourself with your chassis,thanks


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:27 PM

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:22 PM

I agree with Foamy that racing old 1970's Open cars need full glue and it is much better to use the current Retro Pro cars on spray glue. I have my old 1970's Open cars and I do not think that it would be fun racing them because when you crash the chassis tends to break and motors tend to burn up. I think that it is too much work for not much fun.
 
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With modern practice of spray goop you choose from the various different tires available to suit track conditions, full glue is not needed, sometimes we put some glue on tires. Chassis can be strengthened to resist breakage, we find they brake at a similar rate to retro Can Am or F1 chassis (the trick is not to come off). we are not using the extreme winds on arms such as 23g the common arms are old G20 and a couple of modern winds 30t 26g and a modern g20 wind on new stacks, they last very well. It may require a limit on arms to prevent escalating costs due to burnt out motors. Those two new arms I mentioned are pretty fastanyway and tricky to drive compared to say open group 12 or eurosports.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 06:05 PM

Philippe you are asking for a lot of NOS parts in your version of the rules. From our experience on this side of the pond it's very difficult to even find a correct "c"can.

 

Mike,

I am sure that some in the USA can help you with that. The round-hole Mura C cans are still abundant, the endbells are not that difficult to find either and can also be made from aftermarket Mura and Champion D-can endbells set in a lathe. In any case, how many motors would one need??? Also as you have yourself said, a 27 or 26 wire will go plenty fast enough on modern tracks with standard power.

 

 

  I have a small number of Fass gears and when those are gone I will have to use modern plastic.

 

I believe that Sonic still has 48P brass gears that are a perfect substitute. Again, how many would one need?

 

I have never seen drop arms or pans since the 70's.

 

REH still has plenty and may come up cheap on eBay, plus it is rather easy to simply make your own from brass sheet.

 

 

I like your larger sized wheels and insistence on scale bodies.

 

Your 3/4" and 5/8" dimensions are well post-1973 rules in the USA... and the 13/16" rear and 3/4" fronts are readily available.

 

No iso's,|? your cut off date is earlier than ours


The reason why I am not so hot on ISOs is that they are really from a later time period. The first ones indeed came in 1972, but in this case i believe that it would be better to replicate the conventional "plumber" design of 1969 through 1972, simply because running ISOs with a solid front axle makes the car a lot more fragile than having a solid connection between front and rear axle.

 

I don't think having rules that suit your needs is a bad thing, we can easily build chassis to the others rules if we compete against each other.

 

The rules must suit everyone's wishes, that is interested in competing. My opinion is one, the most important is to get the serious enthusiasts, the ones ready to compete in such a proxy series (because British Airways and the local Hilton Inn charge too much for the privilege of actual human attendance!) to raise their hand and register as such,

Then, a proposal can be written and voted on, and we start from there.

I can help by finding sources of parts (cans, endbells, hardware, bodies...) and making suggestions on limitations to keep things from degenerating.

 

I drove such cars a couple years back on spray glue with S24 and S25 arms and they were perfectly controllable, BUT, you HAD to drive them, they were certainly no wing cars or even the rocket retro pros we race today with much more advanced technology that include much smaller, very reliable motors.

One way to do this could be to have Dan at pro-Slot to wind a number of arms, and only those arms could be used for the benefit of all. Maybe even only a given type-brand of magnet could be supplied by a motor manufacturer, to avoid extreme magnets to permeate in that class. This is not open-class racing after all, it is true VINTAGE racing using a few modern components simply because of availability, is it not?  :)

 

In any case, it sounds like fun, let's keep the lid on technology and we will have a LOT more fun.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 06:21 PM

ok john you ve got the ML wire and the cotronics epoxy ive got it,ill get them trued and balanced how much?

 

I'll do up to four arms (one per person) for free (wind-tie-epoxy-cut com) but:

 

1)The person specifies the wind ...that way it's on them if they choose something inappropriate :)

2)The person sends the arm out to be balanced.  They can also choose to have the stack ground of course, but not by me.

 

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 05:32 AM

I'm pretty sure our hobby is going to devolve down to FCRs and Deathstars before it completely self-destructs.

It's 2012, isn't it?


Lets schedule the Mayan 500 soon....

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:09 PM

hey i just realized AW or auto world is back in business,im disappointed why didnt someone here take it over because its not got any of th 1/24 stuff,im calling for an hostile take over,lol.hey on their store they ve got a huge HO track that looks to be the size of a blue king 1/24 scale size.maybe we need to compete with auto world and call oscar koveleski world.sign your name here for the petition to reverse their unauthorized take over of the sacred auto world company and the purposeful disregarding of 1/24 th scale.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:12 PM

 

I'll do up to four arms (one per person) for free (wind-tie-epoxy-cut com) but:

 

1)The person specifies the wind ...that way it's on them if they choose something inappropriate :)

2)The person sends the arm out to be balanced.  They can also choose to have the stack ground of course, but not by me.

 

-john

thanks john my wind would be double 26 for 16D 1970 era style,the check is in the mail.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:54 PM

Bruce,

The new Auto World has nothing to do with the old... just the name that they did not even have to buy from Oscar Koveleski because the trademark had expired!

 

As far as the name for the proxy competition, I like the idea of calling it the "Mayan 500", a perfect representation of today's vast segment of the population believing in fairy tales.

 

We like the fairy tale of a return to the sanity ("sano") of pre-1973 pro-racing slot cars, before the wing-car beasts took over! :laugh2:


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:38 PM

Bruce,

The new Auto World has nothing to do with the old... just the name that they did not even have to buy from Oscar Koveleski because the trademark had expired!

 

As far as the name for the proxy competition, I like the idea of calling it the "Mayan 500", a perfect representation of today's vast segment of the population believing in fairy tales.

 

We like the fairy tale of a return to the sanity ("sano") of pre-1973 pro-racing slot cars, before the wing-car beasts took over! :laugh2:

just call it the dems vs reps armageddan duel,hey philippe do know whats up with jim greenaway  i lost touch.


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