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#1 Ivan B

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:50 AM

Hello,

I am gearing up a Womp and didn't really see a place to talk about them. So I thought I would start some Womp Talk.

But I like pictures also so here are two of my Womps. One is my new Corvette body with badly-painted shut lines and one is a old pre-painted body from Parma complete with badly hand-painted shut lines.

I hope other people enjoy Womps also.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:55 AM

Ivan,

Welcome and great-looking cars. I have some and will post next week once I get my camera dialed in.

This will be a great thread and hopefully others will participate.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 02:51 PM

I love womps. We raced them for a bit and then the enthusiasm died out. If I had a track, I'd run womps and FCRs at least one night a week. Cheap, easy and fun, I think they're perfect for newbies and tired old farts, too.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 04:23 PM

I love womps. We raced them for a bit and then the enthusiasm died out. If I had a track, I'd run womps and FCRs at least one night a week. Cheap, easy and fun, I think they're perfect for newbies and tired old farts, too.


I've raced everything and I LOVE womps too...We race womps almost every week and it's our most popular class at NOMAD
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 09:38 PM

I raced Womps in the 80's when I was racing USRA wing cars in So-Cal. :D

Some would ask me why I raced womps during the sunday family races. I told them the events kept my reflexes sharp for my monthly wing races. :)

Other's asked if I thought it was fair, racing against the novice racers. I just let them drive my Champion Thumper, and asked them how it stacked up with thier two-piece anglewinder SuperWomps. :wacko2:

They asked no more :laugh2:

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 09:47 PM

Womps are a blast, I take some pics.

Anybody have a clear Dirt Late Model body?

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:03 AM

Bob,
We have the 1/32 scale dirt modifird body.
Contact me via email or phone

We also offer alot of bodies to fit whomp / thumper chassis.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:32 AM

Bob,
We have the 1/32 scale dirt modifird body.
Contact me via email or phone

We also offer alot of bodies to fit whomp / thumper chassis.


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Thank you,
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Nice collection of Womp bodies you offer,I like the Galaxie myself.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:34 PM

I love Womps, They saved slot racing in the dark ages of the 80's.
What stock car body is that?
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 01:08 PM

With FCR being the Big Brother to the Womp, too bad the Nat'l FCR Series doesn't have a Womp class.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 08:39 PM

Womp class at the Nats would be great, everyone has one the turn out would be big.
It will never happen cost is to low.
First race I went to in 82 was a womp race at bellmore raceway the place was packed.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:52 PM

i love womps! really wish i didnt chop both of mine up.

i actually won a NOMAD dino derby with an extended one and a camaro model body haha.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:37 AM

i love womps! really wish i didnt chop both of mine up.

i actually won a NOMAD dino derby with an extended one and a camaro model body haha.

Have you got pictures of your cut up Womps? Its interesting to see what people make from them.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:33 AM

We had a Womp racing series in the 80's where the body played a factor, and concourse was worth points towards the championship. We devided the fleet of available bodys into categories and ran a different category each week. The categories were something like "Nascar", "Sports Cars", "Box Cars" (top-heavy bodies), "GT cars", "Wing Cars", etc. The track sold a lot of bodies and the painters had a lot of work during that series :laugh2:

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:27 AM

The Womps we raced had the Johnson 16d's. We raced on the old American Red track. They had their heyday back in the early 80's.

The Womp became the basis for the scratchbuilt 1/32 scale which is 2.5 " wide. Original 1/32 was 2.25" wide.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:41 PM

We ran them on buzzy's American Yellow, Black (with indy car body) blue king.
They had to be 2 1/2 wide.
The johnson 16D motors that you raced did they have a bearing?
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:55 PM

These were Mabuchi's under the Johnson name from what I remember. I can't imagine "real" BB's in those motors. They had stock oilite bearings.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:35 PM

I'll be building 4 1/32 womps for my home track with hot rod bodies! Gonna put FK motors in them--probably TSR home motors or Falcon II's. Should be fun and give the track another IROC class to race with!! My home track is my avatar! 70' four lane with 4" lane spacing--even 1/24 cars can fit.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:49 PM

WOMPS @ THE NATS!!!! I'd play!!!
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:50 PM

I'll be building 4 1/32 womps for my home track with hot rod bodies! Gonna put FK motors in them--probably TSR home motors or Falcon II's. Should be fun and give the track another IROC class to race with!! My home track is my avatar! 70' four lane with 4" lane spacing--even 1/24 cars can fit.

T


I've run womps with Falcons,,,they handle better.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:39 PM

Most of our racing divisions are based on the Womp chassis. We have a great time and very close racing racing on a flat 6 lane oval. There are still lots of bodies available from a variety of manufacturers - Toytech, Rhino, MonkeyWerx, Champion, Parma, etc.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:28 PM

Steve carries a great selection of Womp bodies. The Cavalier modifieds are next for me.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:38 AM

Thanks Matt. Someone mentioned motors earlier... this is a key point. Since we have a relatively small track, we do not use 16D motors. There are a wide variety of motors for ten dollars or less that are very good - Pro Track Cheetah II, JK Falcon 2 & 4, Slick 7 Mini Brute, etc. We use 25 ohm controllers with these motors and have a lot of throttle response all the way through. Interestingly, we have a $5 motor rated at 21,000 rpm that we spec in two divisions. The divisions that have motor options can turn around 23 laps in minute. Cars with the slower motor turn 20 - 22 laps in one minute and are much easier to drive. Here's another option for Womps... lots of circle tracks in the 70's and early 80's ran compact cars with big fat tires:
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Compact cars like the Nova, Camaro, early Mustangs, Maverick, etc. in 1/32 scale have a 3.25" wheelbase. They look like these cars when mounted on a Womp chassis.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 11:39 AM

Okay---here's the start of my builds--4 new Hot Rods for my home track!! This is the bracing I added to the womp 1/32 chassis--axle tube for the front--braces on chassis back to front--axle tubes and motor brace. Then--they'll go into the tumbler for clean up--I'll be painting the bodies later today and picking up TSRF motors to use for power!
I'll post more pics later tonight of the assembled chassis. The bodies will be painted Red/White/Blue/ and Yellow to correspond with the IROC lanes they'll be running in!! Womps are FUN little cars.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 03:22 PM

Is that a rear axle tube? Converting to angle winder?

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 06:19 PM

Steve, I believe Tim took this photo before he cut out the middle of the rear tube. The piano wire "U" brace would prevent an anglewinder installation.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 07:48 PM

I"ll post more pics later tonight----that's correct--I cut out the tube center section for the gear. It's just easier to put in and axle tube all the way across--cut it later!! After the tumbler--they really SHINE too!! I've got all four assembled--and will paint the bodies tomorrow.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:55 AM

Looking forward to them. If you cut out the center of the tube, then what purpose does it serve?

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:47 PM

I used them to simply space my tires to the desired width without using a bunch of spacers--and it took up the large size hole in the stock frame while allowing me to lower the chassis and run smaller diameter tires! This moved the bushing up in the frame a bit-- .
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:53 PM

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 02:23 PM

I also love Womps. We use to run them in the early 2000's on a short Hasse track with dirt car bodies and Cheetah motors. Lots of fun!

I tried all types of weighting schemes, tires and tire narrowing, trying to get rid of tippyness and wheel hop. I ended up running a big lead weight that one of the racers made out of scrapped pieces of lead he found around the raceway. Soldered it on in front of the motor. For whatever reason, that was what worked best, and everyone used the same weight in the same spot. I still had a little trouble with wheel hop, so I would douse the tires with lighter fluid before each heat. That would make my car perfect until near the end of the heat, at which time the wheel hop would slowly return.

It drove me crazy that I couldn't get rid of the wheel hop without dousing the tires. What do you guys do to stop it?

Tim, I built a braced up chassis like yours. On our track it didn't handle very well. I ended going back to a stock chassis with no bracing. Bracing from the motor bracket to the axle uprights seemed to be particularly harmful to handling.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 03:54 PM

I love Womps, They saved slot racing in the dark ages of the 80's.
What stock car body is that?


Yup ...

That's a Monte Carlo SS 1984 - 85. Still available check out Ed's site too.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 05:12 PM

Well I'll find out tomorrow how the cars handle. But I've done this YEARS ago and they worked fine on our commercial track in SD. Tomorrow's the test on my home track. For now--I finished painting the bodies and putting them together. Here's pics of the finished cars and bodies!

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:35 PM

Nice job Tim! What is the part#'s for the wheels you used? A little lighter fluid and a scotch brite and the logo's come right off the tires. Gearing?

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:47 PM

Yeah I actually like the "white" letters for these because there isn't a lot of detail to the cars. You can see their painted Red/White/Blue and Yellow for the lane colors! IROC class style!! I don't think I'll have wheel hop issue's because they should be easily powered by my TSRF home motors. Not a lot of torque--and I'm running 8/28 for gearing--running on 12 volts they should be quick without being really fast. Fun to drive on my little track--and will help "rubber in" the track for our other racers really well. Those tires are the "Pro Tracks" from BPR Raceway. The really big hubs in the back give it the "modern" hot rod look-- we'll see tomorrow if I need to put any lead on the cars. But I think they'll be fine!! I'll post some pics of the cars in action tomorrow night!
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Okay---got some laps with all the cars on their lanes and their handling very nicely and running close lap times. Of course--ONE car is a little smoother than all the others--typical right?? And it's about a tenth quicker--on the Red lane!! But 6.5 second lap times are about the norm on 12 volts--just about perfect for the "rookie" racers I intended them for!! Of course---I can always turn the voltage down to 10 volts and make them really easy to drive!! Should be great for rubbering up and cleaning the track for the faster races to follow!!
I'll post pics later tonight!!
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 09:04 PM

Well after plenty of "tuning" laps these little womps are BIG FUN!!! They handle very well-- once the tires got broken in with Barney's "love lotion" the cars smoothed out and were very fun to drive!! I know the kids and rookies that come to race on the track will really enjoy these little cars--they look cool and run better!! Just what I hoped for!!

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 09:07 PM

Just for fun---here's all the latest IROC CARS I have prepped for racing on the Hillside!! A little of something for everyone--the WOMP Hot Rods--the SCX Pro style Nascars have turned out very well--and the BPR Thursday night "lites" cars for the guys that like ultimate SPEED on our little home track!! These little flexi rockets are soo quick they are a hand ful--but they handle soo well if your a good driver--that their really BIG fun!!
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 10:10 PM

They all look great Tim, who made your track?

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 10:32 PM

The track was built by Bob Scott of Cruisin Bob Slot Cars! He lives in Az now--and is still building excellent home tracks!! You can see more pics I posted in the "club section" tonight.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 11:25 PM

Those coupes look great Tim! The low profile rears look awesome. Low profile fronts would look good too if you could make it work.

Glad to hear you got the cars handling. I must be a Womp retard. I couldn't make a stiff chassis work.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:19 AM

Tim,
The whole set-up is BOSS. Must be a blast running IROC style.
Excellent prep on the Hot-Rod chassis cars. The wheels and tires look great too.

What is a Thursday night "lites" car ?

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 10:21 AM

Those coupes look great Tim! The low profile rears look awesome. Low profile fronts would look good too if you could make it work.

Glad to hear you got the cars handling. I must be a Womp retard. I couldn't make a stiff chassis work.


Well you have to realize--we're running NO GLUE-- just cleaning the track and racing with foam and primarily rubber tired cares--some selective silicone tires also. So the bite is no where near a commercial style track! And--home TSRF motors don't put out a tremendous amount of torque--geared 8/28--so the cars probably aren't powered like you were trying to do!!
The Thursday night lite class are 1/32 flexi cars with Falcon II Motors!! Very quick and fun and the motors last forever!!! On my little track--their about as quick as you can drive!! Very fun for the seasoned racer--but a nightmare for rookies!! The Womps are a great way to start racing--fast enough to be fun--and stable enough to be easy to drive--and with all my bracing--tough enough to last!!
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Posted 07 May 2012 - 07:47 AM

What type of paint is used on that track? Also... I hesitate to ask... Barney's love lotion?

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:06 AM

The track has 3 coats of Varathane clear finish! The bite has been good ever since because it is very smooth surface! It's easy to clean also as a result--I vacuum or blow it off--then use a "Calif" duster like for cars--and finally a large sticky roller that I found at Pet's Mart!! Then we run foam tired cars first--with "Barney's Love Lotion"!! It's a mix of coppertone, trans fluid with Stop Leak, and Wintergreen! The stuff works great on foam tires--that cleans them--softens them and helps them lay down some rubber on the surface! Once we've got a 100 laps or so per lane--the track bite is excellent!! The rubber tire cars like a clean rubbered in track and that gives a very consistent bite to race on with this format.
She's real fine, my 409!!!

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:01 AM

Aha. I've heard of using Lucas oil stop leak on tires. We have a flat finish on our track. Sun tan lotion has worked well on foam tires, like the Parma MX. I even restored a 7 year old pair of Champion foam rears. I'll have to try your concoction. We race ona flat track, so traction is the king.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:31 AM

We love womps in Salt Lake City. Legends/hot rod bodies, every other wed nite at The Slot Shop. Womps did save slot car racing back in the 80's,thats why my shop will always have womps on the schedule.
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Posted 21 February 2017 - 11:41 PM

Here's some information you might find useful. The Womps are doing very well in the Carolinas and Georgia. 
 
American Womps Racing Association
 
Here are some upcoming AWRA events. 
 
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For more information, contact me at cageycretins@gmail.com.
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