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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:02 PM

Thanks Max :)

Hi Mark,

I slotted the front axle holes upward to lower the front end (see arrows):

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In hindsight I would have used a single 5/32" tube instead of the two bearings but I placed the screw hole for the brass pan directly under the front axle.....D'oh!

The body mount pin tubes were left long and sticking out in front of the plates then soldered in place. The extra tube was then cut off and all the excess solder filed off the front of the plates.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 03:46 PM

Here are the "Hop Up" goodies for the Ram-Ray. The 1/8" post Classic guide, guide weight and stiff braid get replaced with a Cox quick change guide and soft braid:

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The front end gets Riggen wheels, tires, knock-off's, Cox precision thrust nuts and an Ulrich independent front axle:

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The 5 pound Classic brass 48P spur gear and pinion are swapped out for smooth as silk 64P Weldun gears with a 3.15:1 ratio. Also using more Cox thrust nuts and ball bearings. The larger flanged thrust nut locks the threaded spur gear and the rear wheel locks directly against the gear:

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The rear wheels are Riggen silicones and knock-off's. I replaced the vintage silicone tires with Paul's of Canada repop Cox Firestone urethane tires:




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Almost done :)

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 05:15 PM

I was lied to. You really CAN make a silk purse out of a sow's ear! :laugh2: Such beautiful work on a Classic classic. :wacko2: :D
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 05:24 PM

Such workmanship, Rick; beauty! We all wait to see what comes off your desk next!
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 07:16 PM

Period Riggen wheels and knock-off's really give this Classic some class:

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The completed front end:

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And back end:

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Here it is after its first visit to Eddie's Slot Car World:

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I didn't have the body mounted yet so I just ran around the road course when it was empty:

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It ran well, had good power, handled pretty good and didn't do wheelie's. Then Rodney told me to put it on the Blue King. Actually he insisted :unknw: . I've run my other Ram-Boochie powered car on the King before and it ran OK there so I didn't know what the big deal was:

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Well, the big deal was the Ram Ray absolutely screams on the King :shok: . It's way faster than my Corvette down the straight :wacko2: . Then I realized I've had the Corvette geared wrong for years :dash2: . It's geared around 4:1 with way smaller diameter tires than the Ram Ray which is geared closer to 3:1.

I used to vintage race against Rodney with that Vette and he's probably known it was geared wrong all this time :laugh2: .

So the good news is it runs great. The bad news is the body doesn't fit. It's not an original Classic body but a nicely done reproduction. I've got to do some serious mods to the body mounting system to get it to work. That's next up.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 08:00 PM

Innovative and a wonderful piece of eye candy :) Good thing you encased that Ulrich axle in a tube. They bend if you look at them the wrong way as I soon learned on my Dynamic proxy car. Why did you change those scarce and meaty Indy Specials? I still run them on a Plymouth Stocker I have and they perform great. Nice and wide too. Were they not tall enough? If they will fit get them back on there this instant young man :laugh2:

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 08:29 PM

Hi Joe,

Yup, those Ulrich axles are neat but mucho fragile. The Riggen Indy's are a great tire. I have one pair I showed in the picture and a pair of wheels. I decided to save the "real deal" and make up a repop pair with the Paul's urethane tires. His tires work really well on the car and I still have those Indy's for a future project :) .

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 04:53 PM

The one piece pin tube body mounts didn't work out:

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They ended up being too wide and up too high. The body was splayed out and sitting up like an off road vehicle :dash2: . Here's the fix:

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I cut the body mounts into two pieces, bent the Classic body mount arms WAY down and soldered the mounts in place with 1/16 axle wheel retainers:

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The body is mounted and has a little bit of "rattle" on the chassis. Time for paint....

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:03 PM

I've got phantasmic and fantastic mixed up today for some reason. LOL.

Nice one Rick. If you ever want to send a proxy car East... :)

I've got a Ramboochi and an XL500 that I haven't figured out what to do with yet.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:28 AM

Hey Rick,

Do you have photos of the finished "Ram" ray?
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:22 PM

Painting.........that's always been my holdup. Jairus even agreed to paint it for me. But now I can't decide what the paint scheme should be :dash2: .

I always remember them as the orange scurge driven by younger less experienced drivers waiting to ram and destroy our scratch built fly weight racers :laugh2: .

"Ram-Ray"..........what would that look like :crazy: .....a manta ray body with a rams head :wacko2: :laugh2: .

Jairus, are you out there? How should this car be painted :scratch_one-s_head: . Should it just get an orange paint job and be done with it :unsure:

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:16 PM

Rick, just fantastic. Is that a Dom's body? I have used those and the are very nice. I painted one Lime green which looked pretty cool. I also saw one that Pete L. did in a Goldish tone that looked sharp as well.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:34 PM

Hi Joe,

I got the body from Ray Price. By the time I got around to asking him where he got it from he wasn't sure. I'm not even sure if it's Lexan or PETG or......? I'm hoping Jairus can paint it in a water base just to be safe.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:27 PM

Rick,

I still love this thread and have two questions:

1. The "threaded axle pivot piece" that replaced the original thin tubular one on the swing arm, from what did you use to make that retainer? It seems to be 1/8" axle material but what was the original size? Is it 5-40 threads or something else? I am have been trying to do a similar elegant treatment to several Manta Ray projects and this upgrade is now a must!

2. Did Jairus ever paint your Manta Ray body?


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:46 PM

Hi Max,

 

Jairus has agreed to paint the body.....if I would ever get with it and send it to him :dash2: :D .

 

The drop arm pivot is a vintage 1 3/4" or 2" X  5-40 axle. I had to thread it a bit farther with a die and then cut off the excess on both ends. A couple of EJ's Hobbies jam nuts finished it off.

 

When I get our "Got Wood" cars finished I hope to send Rodney the Ram-Ray to test on Eddie's Blue King. I'm looking forward to seeing some lap times from the "Mighty Ram-Boochie" :)


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 05:57 PM

Rick,

Thanks for your reply.

While in wait, I bought two 1 & 3/4" axles on eBay thinking that might be the best approach. I tried some other options but without almost exacting or specific hardware that might already exist in the RC world (like allen heads), finding something radical is never easy.

I will take your guidence and thread and chop these axles once I get them. If they work out I need two more so I will have it down now.

Thanks for a wonderful project, now get that body to Jairus for the final touch!


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Posted 10 August 2013 - 12:41 PM

A big THANK YOU to Jairus for helping finish off this project with another of his wonderful paint jobs. I wanted to keep the "spirit" of the original orange Manta Ray but kick it up a notch. He did that with an orange "fade" paint scheme:

 

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Since this car was to be a "racer" it had to have 3 numbers and a racing stripe for good measure:

 

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It also needed a driver figure to be a legal racer but I didn't want to cover up that cool Ram-Boochie motor:

 

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So she's ready for my trip to Eddie's Blue King next month (I hope!) and my own home race track as well:

 

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 12:59 PM

Wow! Another awesome Jairus paintjob , really finishes off the Manta RAM Ray project beautifully :D

 

Driver looks almost scared having a large 36D and a RAM Boochie at that sitting directly underneath him ! :shok: :laugh2:

 

Really love the Orange fade paint, really goes well with the black anodized Riggen wheels & knockoffs .. Great combination of chassis/motor build and Jairus paint :sun_bespectacled: :good:



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Posted 11 August 2013 - 08:07 PM

That is AWESOME !  The Jairus orange paint REALLY POPS !!!! :heart:


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 09:27 PM

That looks great!


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 10:51 PM

That paint is all Parma FasKolor by the way and it looks way brighter than the photos demonstrate.


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:01 AM

:sun_bespectacled: :sun_bespectacled: :sun_bespectacled: C-O-O-L!


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 10:11 AM

As a kid in the 60's I remember lots of orange Manta Rays on the track. I wanted orange but something special. Jairus really "kicked it up a notch" with his orange fade.

 

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 11:56 AM

Rick,

 

Really nice paint and project completion. Jairus did a great job on the paint and you did a great job on this classic "Classic"!

 

 

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Posted 19 February 2015 - 09:58 PM

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Wow what a cool car.

Motor, chassis, body, wheels .... The whole package (as usual) from you Rick. Nice paint too Mr. J.W.

 

above:

I don't think those chassis ever came with formed (coined?) 3/16th guide tongue. It came out nice. 

 

Am I missing something - the ad copy says 5 pole?


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