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would you be in favor of a 30-60 second warm up session prior to your race?

  1. yes (20 votes [86.96%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 86.96%

  2. no (3 votes [13.04%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.04%

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#1 slick in the slot

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:24 PM

i'm not sure why anyone would be against a 30-60 second warm up session prior to a race. sometimes we have to wait hours before a race and it would help in many ways i'm sure
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:23 AM

There is a 2 part problem with it Gil.

1. Lets say for example there are 18 Stock Car entries, 30 Can Am's, 30 F-1's, and 21 Flexi's. There will be 1 sit out per Stock Car race, now causing that 30-60 seconds to be 60-120 seconds per race, in the end becoming 120-240 seconds(adding 2-4 minutes to the total time). Now moving on to Can-Am and F-1 where you would have 3 groups of 10, giving you 2 sit outs per round, Part #2 (I know personally if I'm a sit-out I want my practice on Red and not White to make sure my controller is still set correctly), so if both sit outs in each of the 3 rounds feel the same way 30-60, just became 90-180 times 6(9-18 minutes). So on the high end so far we are talking 22 minutes, or about 1/2 of a 10 man Flexi Round Robin.

In the end the clock is the enemy and when we get to the tracks were we start dealing with 100 entries the last we need is another minute here minute there dragging the day out longer.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:56 AM

I like the idea of that at the last race at... i was in the third heat in can am so that means i sat for nearly three hours befor i got back on the track...
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:32 AM

And when you dont race stockcars that becomes almost a FIVE hour wait to get on the track again!

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:53 AM

A 1 minute warm up was/is standard in other forms of Slot Racing. With sit out drivers they would be given their minute before the racers starting the heat theirs. You are talking adding at the most a half hour to the program. If we are worried about race day time, than why are we traveling to race. I would welcome that minute warm up to get my controller dialed in for the car I'm running. It would be worth the extra half hour at the end of the day.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:23 AM

so vote guys! i was told at washington that if we had a favorable poll it would be instituted without delay. i was told that ors is already doing it. nothing is written in stone, if it doesn't work we can always go back to the old way
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:01 AM

Gil....I trust you weren't referencing our conversation. If you are,
your accounts are different than mine.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:28 AM

Gil....I trust you weren't referencing our conversation. If you are,
your accounts are different than mine.


no dennis, not you
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:49 AM

Day's are long And some of you what to make them longer???What's a warm up going to help ??Your not aloud to change anything on the car anyway..And if you need to set brakes and stuff like that..Mark them like i do ...When your running laps before the race..
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:05 AM

no dennis, not you


Gil....Glad we're OK. Thank you!

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:35 AM

lemme speak in behalf of the C MAIN and lower cats ...theres not ONE of us that wont like a warm up half minute ..just a "couple laps" . is fine ....WERE NOT SEASONED VETERANS ..we wreck..and its moslty there on the first couple laps in a race ...we need to get adjusted after we have sat for a long time.....we cant adjust our cars but we CAN adjust our heads........how bout all the A-B mains no hot laps,,just C and below ....especcailly at big races....we have spent a lot of money to get there and race for 4 days,,what is the big deal about letting us have a meer 30 seconds to make a few laps so we dont all pile up in the deadman and end our race? i have done that and man its a bad feeling..all that time and effort to get there and in 10 seconds my race is done.. bad deal.. it dont matter on this "vote" thing .if the higher up dont want it ,it wont happen...
I do know that in some regoinal series races [Mason -Dixon comes to mind] they WANT a warm up period ...the 3 guys that organize it have raced for years and can see it helps the slower guys stay on better if they can run a bit before the race
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:13 PM

Gary,

I don't want to speak for Gil, but I believe that this post was more Penn-Ohio specific.
Gil did approach me after the most recent Penn-Ohio race asking if I thought that
warm-up sessions would be a possibility. I assumed that Gil approached me as a Penn-Ohio
BoD member and that again, that his suggestion was aimed toward the P-O series.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

Gary,

I don't want to speak for Gil, but I believe that this post was more Penn-Ohio specific.
Gil did approach me after the most recent Penn-Ohio race asking if I thought that
warm-up sessions would be a possibility. I assumed that Gil approached me as a Penn-Ohio
BoD member and that again, that his suggestion was aimed toward the P-O series.


actually , i did not approach you as a "penn ohio" board member :D i was simply asking a few guys what their thoughts were. i don't know or care who is on the penn ohio board! i didn't participate in a board member vote and i don't know if any of this is democratic. i would like to think it is democratic to an extent. i've seen slot cars and r/c ruined over the years and it would be nice to know that this hobby may be receptive to the guys that participate and support it.

so far, 80% of the respondits have voted for a warm up session. that is a good majority. now will the "board members" be responsive or not? :good:

i'll continue to race in penn ohio either way :dance3:
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 04:52 PM

The board members were appointed by other board members. No votes as to who is on the bod.

You can only accept what the chosen has to say or simply stay at home! :)

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 05:34 PM

We have had a 1 minute warm up in Retro East for some time now. It does eliminate a lot of crashes. Also, we don't run a lot of round robins so it works. When we have them, we ask the sit out guys if they want it and it they do we accomodate them.

We ran warm ups at the Sano and I know we will at the Fall Brawl. Saves for a lot of havoc for sure.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 05:58 PM

I am intrigued.

Are you saying that "sit-out" racers will get a 30 - 60 second warm-up period immediately prior to them competing in their first heat?

Do you start all subsequent heats from the start line or on the lane adjacent to where they finished their prior heat?

If the later, what happens if there is a car parked in a corner or on a bend either side of the incoming racer?

How do you propose accommodating those cars?

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:18 PM

I am intrigued.

Are you saying that "sit-out" racers will get a 30 - 60 second warm-up period immediately prior to them competing in their first heat?

Do you start all subsequent heats from the start line or on the lane adjacent to where they finished their prior heat?

If the later, what happens if there is a car parked in a corner or on a bend either side of the incoming racer?

How do you propose accommodating those cars?

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i would suppose you give the warm up session to the sit outs when everyone else gets their warm up. a sit out will hit the track within a few minutes of their session anyway. this is about helping to overcome an hour and half and usually more of sitting around prior to your race, then coming on the track cold.

i started slot racing again after a 40+ year lay-off. back in the day we didn't have sit-outs. we started with a 30 second, or more, warm up and drove the cars to the line. that was when the lower heat had 8 guys and the top two always moved up to the next heat. this was all based on qualifying. every heat (except the lowest) had six guys. two always moved up to the next heat and the A main had only 4 reserved slots.4 of the top b main finishers moved up to the A main. no round robbins
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:29 PM

Thanks Gil.

A very tricky situation :)

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:17 PM

They did it at the ORS race I went to in Columbus and I liked it !!!! You have the choice to run 1 lap or the whole time. I would think 30 seconds is long enough.
Also the sit out guys did there warm up when the first 8 were done so really they have to wait a bit before they hit the track but it still gives a chance to check things.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:56 PM

I am intrigued.

Are you saying that "sit-out" racers will get a 30 - 60 second warm-up period immediately prior to them competing in their first heat?

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Zip, the sit out guys get to do a warm up on the red lane where they will be coming in. Once the initial guys get theirs then the sit outs come on. Most don't take the full time and most of the time the guys just say pass and don't want it,

There is no problem then with anyone hitting cars, etc.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:12 PM

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i would suppose you give the warm up session to the sit outs when everyone else gets their warm up. a sit out will hit the track within a few minutes of their session anyway. this is about helping to overcome an hour and half and usually more of sitting around prior to your race, then coming on the track cold.

i started slot racing again after a 40+ year lay-off. back in the day we didn't have sit-outs. we started with a 30 second, or more, warm up and drove the cars to the line. that was when the lower heat had 8 guys and the top two always moved up to the next heat. this was all based on qualifying. every heat (except the lowest) had six guys. two always moved up to the next heat and the A main had only 4 reserved slots.4 of the top b main finishers moved up to the A main. no round robbins


If that is the format you want Gil, I suggest you go race Retro East. Because the Penn Ohio format has worked fine with almost zero complaints from participants till now.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:45 PM

Don't worry Gil, ol Dan is coming to race in Retro East this week. He'll get a warm-up too. Maybe that's why he's coming. Lol

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:48 PM

I don't need the warm up cause like Sax, I mark my controller.

Gil, my reason's for not making it are personal and private.


Noose, I look forward to seeing everyone(but most of all my dear buddy JJ, and the Isle's twins those kids are a riot) Thursday around Noonish if everything goes as planned. Never been on an Englemen looks fast, hope Larry Mattingly and I have enough "Hershpower".
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:02 PM

If that is the format you want Gil, I suggest you go race Retro East. Because the Penn Ohio format has worked fine with almost zero complaints from participants till now.


Dan....with an attitude and comments like this, the Penn-Ohio as we know it will be short-lived. If you don't care to show up at races, that is your perogative, but please refrain from the derogatory comments that will only chase racers from the P-O series. Suggestions are offered to better the series. All involved are growing tired.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:17 PM

Hey Denny, where are the lap times from Can Am, F1, and Flexi.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:22 PM

Okay I got the vote at 6 to 1, unless Z 28 is a Penn Ohio racer. How on to more important things. PRIVATE and PERSONAL reasons for not having a warm-up. I gotta know now. So I can get my top ten reasons for not having a warm up, T-SHirt made. Dan the lanemaster print outs do not provide laps. I am sure somewhere in the program options you can record and print those. But final race results print outs usually don't. If anyone out there is a Expert with this system speak up so the rest of us computer illiterates can get this info.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:28 PM

Umm Ebert yes they do, cause I can show the Lap time results from every race at Washington from season's past. Jeff Lauterbach know's how to do it as well.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:34 PM

Hey Denny, where are the lap times from Can Am, F1, and Flexi.


Why do you ask Dan?
Not sure but don't know that these were always, if ever, posted anyway.
Furthermore...the results were posted THE DAY AFTER the race and NOT
TWO weeks after.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:35 PM

Okay Dan, but you didn't answer the question. If the program does, please tell us the procedure so we know how to do it. We are looking for that solution in North East too. Thanks for any help you can supply.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:38 PM

Why do you ask Dan?
Not sure but don't know that these were always, if ever, posted anyway.
Furthermore...the results were posted THE DAY AFTER the race and NOT
TWO weeks after.


Can't award the Bonus points for fast lap with out them.

Was there Final standings sheet's handed out to the hosting raceway and others who wanted them like I always do at the event.

Well congrats the retired, no kids guy could post the results by noon the day after. Sorry, my work and children didn't permit me to post the results as fast as you like.

It can be your job from now on then. Along with tech and everything else, I'm just gonna show up and race at REM and Rt 93 like you have for years. :sun_bespectacled:
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:43 PM

I am assuming that you are looking for information for points calculation. Because if it was for shared info on this board in the past Lap times were not provided with every race report. I
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:43 PM

The lap times were printed out!
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:46 PM

Okay Dan, but you didn't answer the question. If the program does, please tell us the procedure so we know how to do it. We are looking for that solution in North East too. Thanks for any help you can supply.


Once the final display for laps is up at the end of the race. On the Race Results pop up screen go to the View(tab), this will pop up the following options. Summary, Laps, Best Laps, Race Results. Once you select Best Laps it will change the lap totals per lane to the fastest laps on each lane.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:49 PM

I have them and will send fast lap times to you Dan.
My fault for not providing you with these.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:54 PM

Thank you, I will share that info with Lester
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:54 PM

Can't award the Bonus points for fast lap with out them.

Was there Final standings sheet's handed out to the hosting raceway and others who wanted them like I always do at the event.

Well congrats the retired, no kids guy could post the results by noon the day after. Sorry, my work and children didn't permit me to post the results as fast as you like.

It can be your job from now on then. Along with tech and everything else, I'm just gonna show up and race at REM and Rt 93 like you have for years. :sun_bespectacled:



Thank you for the compliment Dan. FYI....I have ALWAYS offered and quite often lent a helping hand.
P.S. You're attempting to attack the wrong person.
Let it go Dan.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:12 PM

Thank you for the compliment Dan. FYI....I have ALWAYS offered and quite often lent a helping hand.
P.S. You're attempting to attack the wrong person.
Let it go Dan.


Den,

You might be right. But at the end of the day adding another hour to an already long exhausting day makes no sense to me. Since Season #2 we have never had a warm up, everyone was fine with that as it keeps the day moving faster, with 75 entries it isn't that big a deal. But, with 100 like we had 3 times last year you go from leaving the track at nearly 9 pm to leaving around 10 or 10:30 pm.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:14 PM

Not if you don't race flexi, hahahaha.................:)
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:26 PM

Rick there is still paperwork and result sheets and everything else when you wear the hat I do at the track.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:29 PM

Dan, been there, done that. You do that chit at home AFTER the race not duing like you do. Obviously you think this is my first rodeo?
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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:14 PM

Gil, Still waiting on more P-O racers to cast a vote...... Regardless of what happens this year, it is already being considered for next season......
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:47 AM

can you tell me why a guy in new zealand would vote??? :sarcastic_hand: i think his vote should be dismissed. that would make it 11 to 2 in favor
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:39 AM

Why shouldn't a guy in New Zealand vote?

We base 99.9999% of our rules on the very same rules that you race under.

Was there a warning posted that voting in this poll was only for residents of the USA?

Gil, there is no need to resort to making it personal when you are losing the battle, eh? :) :)

And who said I voted?

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:12 AM

Why shouldn't a guy in New Zealand vote?

We base 99.9999% of our rules on the very same rules that you race under.

Was there a warning posted that voting in this poll was only for residents of the USA?

Gil, there is no need to resort to making it personal when you are losing the battle, eh? :) :)

And who said I voted?


well ron, i certainly did not intend to ruffle your feathers. if i did, sorry. this poll is intended to suggest a procedural change to the race format in penn-ohio series. it is directed at those who participate in these events. if you want to make a change in nz i suggest you run a poll or do whatever in a theater that would represent all those concerned in nz. the voting is relevent only when the vote reflects those parties directly affected, in this case.

and,,,,not sure i'm losing the battle at all :sun_bespectacled: 12 to 2 in favor is not a loss in the northern hemisphere , i can see why you would think so since your upside down on the planet being in the southern hemisphere :victory:

and,,,voting is transparent on this blog.

it's all in good fun, do you have any pics of your tracks down there?
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:19 PM

Den,

You might be right. But at the end of the day adding another hour to an already long exhausting day makes no sense to me. Since Season #2 we have never had a warm up, everyone was fine with that as it keeps the day moving faster, with 75 entries it isn't that big a deal. But, with 100 like we had 3 times last year you go from leaving the track at nearly 9 pm to leaving around 10 or 10:30 pm.


I don't see how adding a 30-45 seconds warm-up at the start of a Main is going to add an 1 1/2 to the program.

PO is the only series in the country that attempts to race 4 Divisions in a day. (IIRC)

PO is the only series in the country that doesn't qualify the Mains. (IIRC)

The race is for a long day, but that is the price we all pay for getting a great turnout. Isn't that the objective? Dan, you are the one that does a lot of the stats at the raceway, that could be done at home the next day or so, making your leave time extended.

It's only one day a month to be put out, which isn't bad. I elected not to race the Flexi class because of time duration. The ORS system works pretty well and they run as many Mains as PO, except they only contest 3 divisions, and they Qualify all their racers.

Nothing is etched in stone and with the stroke of the keyboard, one could allow the warm-up in 3 minutes. Relax and enjoy the hobby and delegate some duties to those that volunteer..............

PS: Something to look at, 2 minute heats VS 3 minute heats. It doesn't change the outcome in any way just the total lap numbers. Is there any kabitzing among the Flexi racers?
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:21 PM

Click on the link in my signature panel to see photos of my Club track :)

12:3 is much worse than 12:2 :)

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:41 PM

Click on the link in my signature panel to see photos of my Club track :)

12:3 is much worse than 12:2 :)

dan, gotta hand it to you!!! i don't think i could survivie with my driving skills on your track!
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:44 PM

I don't see how adding a 30-45 seconds warm-up at the start of a Main is going to add an 1 1/2 to the program.

PO is the only series in the country that attempts to race 4 Divisions in a day. (IIRC)

PO is the only series in the country that doesn't qualify the Mains. (IIRC)

The race is for a long day, but that is the price we all pay for getting a great turnout. Isn't that the objective? Dan, you are the one that does a lot of the stats at the raceway, that could be done at home the next day or so, making your leave time extended.

It's only one day a month to be put out, which isn't bad. I elected not to race the Flexi class because of time duration. The ORS system works pretty well and they run as many Mains as PO, except they only contest 3 divisions, and they Qualify all their racers.

Nothing is etched in stone and with the stroke of the keyboard, one could allow the warm-up in 3 minutes. Relax and enjoy the hobby and delegate some duties to those that volunteer..............

PS: Something to look at, 2 minute heats VS 3 minute heats. It doesn't change the outcome in any way just the total lap numbers. Is there any kabitzing among the Flexi racers?


2 vs. 3 minutes? let's not go there. takes my a minute to get into whatever groove i get into :D i'm not concerned about the long length of a race day. i am there to enjoy the experience. if it was up to me i'd go for 4 minute sessions. we spend lots of time and expense to do this so let's get the most out of it
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:32 PM

There ya go Gil, isn't that called self service? Do what I want but dismiss anything else. LOL................
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 07:21 AM

Lightweights, back in the day we raced till ------ and time warped back just to do it again. If you are worried about the about of time at the track. You better go back to racing at your home track. Because this is what Traveling and Series are about. I always expect to spend my entire day at the track when traveling to any Series race.
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