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#51 Jairus

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:43 AM

In the beginning (1967-68) Jaak, they were called "tilting body mounts" because nobody was using pans back then except the scale builders.

As magnets got stronger and motors more powerful, a new trend emerged of going full pan to really lower the center of gravity.  First it was full pans attached to a brass rod or tube frame and then later just pans attached to key locations.

Eventually those pans became working parts of the chassis... droparm and side tilting pans.
The term "batpan" refers to the wings of a bat moving up and down so it is an easy association.  

I have no idea who coined it.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:59 PM

In the beginning (1967-68) ...

 

.... The term "batpan" refers to the wings of a bat moving up and down so it is an easy association.  

I have no idea who coined it.

 

Batpans and Robins from Parma. :huh:

 

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:04 PM

Thanks, Jairus and Bob,

 

Love to learn and read about stuff like this.   :good:


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:16 PM

Wait until you get to Herman pans, Iso-fulcrum, reverse Iso, plumber, flexiboard, flexi-Iso, and more... :D
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:50 PM

LOL.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:56 PM

IIRC,(and I probably don't - LOL) they went from pans or outriggers to bat pans when they became wider and more ornate such as the little extra extensions along side the front wheels.

I'm sure Tony or PDL can confirm the real story.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:17 PM

The first bat pans I am sure were on an inline made a few weeks before the anglewinders hit. Big Jim Greenaway built a chassis with one rail of wire and one of brass, unheard of at the time, with full width pans that were angled in the front to clear the front tires. Phil Rubin built one and finished second to Jerry Brady in a Car Model race and this was the secret new chassis design Jerry took to California for the Car Model race only to show up to see anglewinders flying around the track at Classic speedway. Jerry made the main, but got walled in the first heat, removing the drop arm in the process.

The first anglewinders handled so well with just light outriggers it probably took six months or so before bat pans became the normal.

Not sure where the name came form. I think Big Jim.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:11 AM

LOL thanks for the confusement. :sarcastic_hand:
 
And extra history. :victory:

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:28 PM

Wait till you get to Herman pans, Iso-fulcrum, reverse Iso, plumber, flexiboard, flexi-Iso, and more... :D

 
Wait till you get to Stretcher pans, Iso-iron maiden, the Guillotine, puzzle pusher, clothes hanger, steam machine, dish washer, brass knuckles, and more... :D

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:23 AM

There should be a thread pinned somewhere where there all explained in short for future generations to understand,


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:21 PM

There already are:

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

Pablo,

You have set a very high bar early on. I can clearly see your confidence in this build,...wow! With the pure amount of early testing that you can do this is certainly the chassis/entry to beat.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:32 PM

Thanks Maximo, we shall see.....

 

Meanwhile, I made a practice Velco attachment on a practice body, and I think it's going to work.....


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:24 PM

The mini-Velcro was a success.  The stacks come off and on easily.

What do you think ?

 

Not sayin' it's a concours winner, just havin' fun :D  :crazy:

 

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 06:59 PM

# 4 car is 100% done.  Track test 5 Jan.

I have one Demon motor geared 8, and another geared 7.  I plan to test both.

 

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 11:30 AM

Loook-ken gooood Pabro !!!

 

 

Why did you decide not to use 'O' ring fronts?


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 01:15 PM

Thanks Bob.

 

The rules state:

"car must rest on four wheels without the guide and maintain a min. of .015"

 

I don't trust O-Ring fronts to make that happen for multiple World races.

With the full plumber and independent fronts, it will work and it will go the distance.

 

Thanks for asking :)


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:01 PM

As always Paul.........................Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeautiful...................

I guess I will have to get crackin'......................Naw..............I will wait till you yell at me....lol


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:08 PM

Doggone procrastinators :laugh2:

 

I even offered to mount new donuts for your Manta Ray and you just ignored me..... :o


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 08:14 PM

Hey, I been working on mine (ours). I simply have not advertised the progress. Not giving away the secrets just yet...


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 08:34 PM

I was just kidding about "procrastinators" :laugh2:

 

Those who do not meet hard deadlines, well, you know how I feel about them........ :diablo:

 

Also, rule changers after cars have already been built :diablo:

 

Jairus, you picked a great partner, David S. has always been a nice guy and super talented. :D

 

I look forward to the competition.  I am here just for fun :)


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 10:29 AM

Pablo,

Thanks for the kind words...! We, Jairus and I make great teammates as he really has all the talent and I, well I'm involved spiritually anyway! Ha hahahahahahaa.

Seriously, your entry is scary it looks so good. Reminds me of the Brawn F1 car that dominated the series when it appeared and carried Button on to a Driver title before the others could catch-up! I won't say it again but you have done yourself well by having so much fun.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:33 PM

You are a master, what can I say art.


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:19 AM

Today was the big day for testing......never got around to testing the 7T Demon......because the 8T just worked so perfect......very fast, lots of brakes......smooth......easy to drive.....I'm done.  World Champion Greg Gilbert drove it very hard for a few minutes......... :)  


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:54 PM

Pablo,

Thanks for the kind words...! We, Jairus and I make great teammates as he really has all the talent and I, well I'm involved spiritually anyway! Ha hahahahahahaa.

Seriously, your entry is scary it looks so good. Reminds me of the Brawn F1 car that dominated the series when it appeared and carried Button on to a Driver title before the others could catch-up! I won't say it again but you have done yourself well by having so much fun.


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Mr Brawn knew what they created there and hence the reason why he "bought" the team etc,

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:03 PM

Paul,

Your car is looking Fabulous.

And it seems you are able to do all the prepping it needs to whoop some "derriere".
I wanted to have my home track finished in time so i could test mine too,
but every time i think i have time for the car and track something comes up.

Just a matter of time before i can really start i guess.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

My home track is being constructed as I type this.  70% of the surface is up and 50% is routed.  Pro Paul Painter is building the very quick looking 4 lane routed wood flat track track at Edgewater Raceway less than a 1/2 mile from where I lay my head each night.
He swore it would be up and ready for both the upcoming proxy events.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:31 PM

Very cool to have a track that close :good:

 

More, more ...... Long, short - flat or banked? :roflmao:


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:44 PM

Yeah, more details!!!

Will it be up in time for any last minute test-N-tune for The Road Warrior?



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:22 PM

Yes of course it will be up for testing.

The track is flat except for one lightly banked turn just off the main straight.  I'll try to get down there and take pictures soon as possible.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:47 PM

I saw a photo tonight of a Paul Painter 4-lane track under construction on one of the slot boards. I assume its the same track. When I went back to look for it, I couldn't find the photo. :scratch_one-s_head:


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:00 PM

Doggone procrastinators :laugh2:

 

I even offered to mount new donuts for your Manta Ray and you just ignored me..... :o

I will get them to your abode soon...................


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:54 PM

Sorry Bill, missed your post.

Here are the latest pics.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:06 PM

Jairus, that should be a fun track to run a variety of different cars on, both 1/32 & 1/24. :)


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:40 PM

I love it! Any cool new track is a godsend!


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:59 PM

Looks GREAT!!! Is this to be a club track, a commercial establishment??? or is that just your spare bedroom???


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:39 PM

Ben, 

The track is to be a commercial raceway.  At least that is the plan... and the space is very tight for now. According to the owner the hope is that if business grows.... the building they are in has an open corner space that is much bigger with better window space. So, to that end everything is being considered with "moving on up" in mind.

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Track surface is painted as of tonight.

 

New banner designed by me btw.

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Posted 01 July 2015 - 09:46 PM

After the car came home and started gathering dust, I decided to make it into an old school Can-Am Retro racer.
Lowrider's Lucky 13 rules were similar to IRRA® rules, so it wasn't hard to do.
Eliminated the plumber hinge rails, make some small modifications, and bingo, my new IRRA® car.
It's been raced successfully a couple times and is my current favorite Can-Am.
 
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Wheelbase 4.0", guide lead 13/16", weight 65 grams, front axle PCH, BB's Pro Slot, Chicagoland Versabracket plus Backagra brace, pans .025" with .025" tilt, rails .063", front hinge wires .063", rear hinge wires .055", total race ready weight is 117 grams.
 
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