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[Steve Okeefe]

Igarashi (small) Spotter's Guide

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gator Bob]

Great drawings Steve.

 

Could you speak to the Pactra X-99 motor details and the can with the cone shape bushing.  

 

Also ... if you want to add the Hemi 300 kit motor version those had green wire on the spool.

[Steve Okeefe]

Bob,

 

I'm afraid I don't know a great deal about the X-99, other than what it looks like.  However:

 

Philippe posted some information about Igarashi motors in general (including the Pactra X-99) in an illustrated article on the LASCM website (at least I think it was on the LASCM website) , but I cannot link you to it because now I cannot find the article!

 

On ther other hand, I did download the article at some unknown time in the past when I had the chance, so here's an excerpt addressing the X-99 (this excerpt is copyright LASCM, and is being used with permission):

 

"Hemi X-99: This ultra-rare motor used an improved armature with twin shafts fitted in a modified chrome plated can with 5 venting slots and the same retaining screws as seen on the X-88 MK2, but now fitted on the sides of the can, allowing the motor to sit lower in the chassis. It is almost certain that seen the very small number of them around, they were on the market in some form for a very short time. Some of these motors were used by Mura as a base for their rewind jobs. They are equally as scarce."

 

Here's a couple of photos:

 

 

 

The can with the cone shaped bushing is part of the motor Gene Husting built and used in his first anglewinder.  The cone shaped bushing is actually a turned brass housing Gene made up for the ball bearing he used in the can end of his motor.  The ball bearing is inserted from the outside, thus the cone shape.

 

I learned all this directly from Gene when I was building the replica that is now on display at the museum.  By the way, the only part of Gene's motor (as far as I know) that was made by Igarashi was the can...

 

One other detail:  The LASCM article excerpt mentions a rewound motor Mura made based on the X-99.  The drawing to the left of the Husting motor titled "Mura (unknown model)" is that motor.

 

Hope this helps!

[Gator Bob]

Perfect explanation, Thank You!

You know more than you know, you know.

 

 

 

I have never owned or held a 5 slot can or motor ... did Atlas use those also?

 

Now I want to build one up, someday ... LOL

[Champion 507]

Bob, I think theirs was the 3 slot variety, but I ain't no expert on the subject. KnowwhatImean?

 

Splendid info, Steve. Very informative!

[Steve Okeefe]

Bob,

 

The only "slotted" can motor Atlas marketed (that I know about) had three slots and was made by Shigoto-Johnson.  You can see a drawing of it here.

 

If you want to build up a motor with a 5 slot can (especially the chrome plated variety), you should probably start looking for the can now; they're rather rare (and unfortunately getting rarer all the time).

 

You would probably have better luck finding (or trading for) a Russkit 28 motor; it was an Igarashi motor with a 5 slot can, just not chrome plated.  I think the Russkit can was "yellow zinc" plated - for awhile I thought it might be cadmium plated, but cadmium is pretty toxic stuff, so probably not.  At any rate the color of the plating resembled the standard Russkit gold:

 

 

Please note that Russkit also marketed a Shigoto-Johnson three slot motor - it was painted gold and named the Russkit 27:

 

[TSR]

Steve,

the Atlas motor with the 3 slots is a HIT from Marusan's Japanese motor supplier (Atlas purchased virtually all their stuff from Marusan), while the Russkit 27 is indeed a Johnson made in Hong Kong.

 

Here is a picture of the scarce Mura-rewound Pactra X99:

 

 

 

And more Igarashi motors:

A Steube-rewound R28, used by Mike and Billy in races in 1968:

 

The "Thunderbolt Blown Hemi", a rewound Hemi with long aluminum heatsinks connected to the brushes. Beware of shorts when both ears touch the can! 

 

Two Strombecker motors, one with 3-pole, one with 5-pole armatures. The 3-pole was the first Igarashi slot car motor and was fitted to thousands of Strombecker cars from 1962 to 1965.

One last one for the day: this Pittman DC85 clone is also an Igarashi motor produced for Strombecker, a business partner of Igarashi:

 

 

[Champion 507]

A little over a month ago, a friend of mine gave me a used 3 pole version of the motor pictured above the DC85. The plated blades that went down into the guide flag have been cut off the red and green lead wires but the motor still runs. I'll probably scratch build a little 1/32 chassis for it one of these years.

[TSR]

Steve, a few more small details to refine the chart:

-The TC24 and 32 were announced in December 1965 and were first available in February 1966, in the new kits and setarately.

- I have seen the name or stock number of the rewound Mura X99,  will have to search it in my mess and will let you know.

- I have more info on Igarashi that is in the book that will blow your mind about what happened... later!  

[don.siegel]

Excellent guys! 

 

Steve, where would this fit in the chart - a Hem-Buchi from Tradeship? 

 

 

The Hemi 400 rewind kit: 

 

 

Mura rewind

 

 

 

??

 

Pactra X98 - red & black endbells

 

 

Pactra X78 Black Streak

[SlotStox#53]

Some very select and tasty selection of motors you got there Don

Didn't know one of the companies actually did a Hemibuchi ... you learn something every day .

[Champion 507]

^{Don, you're amazing. Great stuff}

[TSR]

The Tradeship "Hem' Buchi" is something Mura did for them. Mabuchi endbell and Igarashi can and magnets, with rewound Hemi arm.
Here is the "reverse" version of the "201" motor, the M200:

 

[don.siegel]

Thanks Philippe, 

 

That's amazing they'd do the two versions of a relatively obscure motor... 

 

I did get lucky on a few of these.... 

 

Don 

[TSR]

Do you have more than one? We only have the M-200.
P

[don.siegel]

No, just that one P, the M201...

 

I was referring to motors in general. For the Hem-Buchi, a couple of these came up on ebay a few years ago and I was able to get this one for a reasonable price, maybe just because nobody knew what it was, and people weren't as interested in the odd stuff as now. 

 

Don

[TSR]

Understood.

Here is the link to the LASCM blog where these motors were explained:

 

http://lascm.com/Vin...lot-car-motors/

[SlotStox#53]

Love the history and look of all these Igarashi can motors

 

Just to add to the Russkit 27 ,with another name/from another company is the same motor as the " Rikochet 1 " by Riko in England, just without the distinctive gold paint on the can

 

Oh and thanks PdL for the link, facsinating read

[NHBandit]

I realize this is an old thread but it got me to thinking. Where do those horrible Strombecker motors with the Green end bell fit into all of this ? And is there an alternative that will fit without modification ? 

[don.siegel]

I'm not home, so can't check compatibility, but I think a Strombecker TC32 should fit, and those are pretty common.

Don

[TSR]

The "horrible Strombecker motors with the green endbells" are called "Wasp". There were two models of that cheaper motor. Don can probably find you a stock number in a spare parts catalogue, since I have now surrendered all the library bits I had to the LASCM after I finished the writing of the "book".

Before the "horrible" green motor, there was one for the racing set cars that was slightly smaller than the TC32, also with a blue endbell and a chrome plated can that had flat sides. It was first introduced in the RTR "set" cars in 1966 to fit in the plastic chassis with an attached aluminum pan.

[Horsepower]

The "horrible Strombecker motors with the green endbells" are called "Wasp". There were two models of that cheaper motor. Don can probably find you a stock number in a spare parts catalogue, since I have now surrendered all the library bits I had to the LASCM after I finished the writing of the "book".

Before the "horrible" green motor, there was one for the racing set cars that was slightly smaller than the TC32, also with a blue endbell and a chrome plated can that had flat sides. It was first introduced in the RTR "set" cars in 1966 to fit in the plastic chassis with an attached aluminum pan.

Is "The Book" available anywhere on Earth yet?

[don.siegel]

Still provisionally planned for publication by the end of the year, I believe... 

 

Don 

[MattD]

Don, what year would that be?

[don.siegel]

Touché!