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#1 Steve Okeefe

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:13 AM

Pittman DC-65, 65A, 65A-6 and 65X

 

Photos courtesy Bob Steere

 

 

The DC-65 type was the smallest "Laminated Field" motor Pittman made.  As a result, it was also Pittman's most popular laminated field motor among road (as opposed to drag) slot car builders.

 

Laminated field motors have a more efficient magnetic circuit than open frame motors such as the DC-195/196 because the "lines of force" from the magnet are more effectively guided, and therefore remain more concentrated, by several thin steel plates (called laminations) instead of a single solid pair of pole pieces.  Just as the armature works more efficiently when it is made up of numerous laminations instead a solid chunk, so do the magnetic field pieces.

 

Because of the way they are configured, laminated field motors tend to assume a characteristic "ice cube" shape, with the armature offset towards one end.  When laid down flat, this makes then clumsy to build into an inline chassis, so they are much better suited to a sidewinder configuration.  Laminated field motors generally have more torque than open frame motors which, in the 1960s, made them a favorite for drag racing.

 

The original DC-65s were vintage 1959 or so (as you can see on the spec sheet, which was "revised" in March of 1960).  They had a 14 lamination field, and cast brass end frames.  Cast brass was really old school!  The five pole armature and fine wire windings made them an excellent model train motor, but far from optimal for slot cars.

 

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6. DC-65 Spec Sheet.jpg

 

In early 1963, Pittman introduced the DC-65A.  The brass end frames were gone, replaced by white metal castings.  The motor featured about 20% more RPM, even though it had the same electrical ratings (0.7 amp maximum intermittent at 12 volts).  As important and desirable as the higher RPM might have been, nothing is free in motor design, so the higher RPM came at the cost of lower torque; the "Operating Data" graphs on the specification sheets clearly show this.

 

 

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Later in 1963 Pittman introduced the DC-65A-6.  It featured an electrical upgrade to 6 volt armature windings and a design improvement of 17 thinner field laminations replacing the 14 thicker ones on the DC-65A.  The thinner laminations improved the efficiency of the magnetic circuit, and the 6 volt windings produced more amp-turns in the armature, resulting in greater torque and somewhat higher RPM ratings.  But there was yet another improvement to come.

 

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The last step would come at the end of 1963, when the final version of the DC-65 series, the DC-65X, made its appearance.  The photograph in the Car Model magazine article below purportedly shows a DC-65X, and it is marked "6V.", but it also has the same 14 laminations the DC-65A 12 volt motor had, as opposed to the 17 laminations in its direct predecessor, the DC-65A-6.  Very strange.

 

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For more information about the DC-65X click here.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:48 AM

greater potential realized if fit with a better com.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:06 PM

Better com, & better springs:

 

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Back in the day, somebody in my circle felt that the coil-spring-on-pitchforks arrangement, as well as being a perfect bitskitty to get back on, was prone to binding; he substituted the 196 spring you see here, bending the ends 90deg. & adding some insulation.

We all set up that way thereafter.

Rocky Russo told me recently that this was a common practice that gave just the right increased pressure. Another fix he mentioned was to double up on the coil spring, using two springs from the cheep ten-cent vending machines.

 

Is this thread the place for such talk?

 

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:16 PM

Duf,

 

Yes, this thread the place for such talk.  Please keep going...

 

By the way, you mentioned a "196 spring" in your post, but the photo has me puzzled.

 

My ignorance may well be on full display here (it happens all the time :pardon: ), but could the spring in the photo be one of these:

 

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Those Simco guys were pretty clever...

 

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 10:47 AM

Hey guys, I've found some exceptions to the "normal" DC65A's.

 

I see in the past, Gary Bluestone found a DC65A-6 volt with 14 lams, most unusual!

 

Well, I've come up with a 17 lam 12volt motor. The box has been retagged (factory I believe, I've seen these tags before) with a 75 cents higher price than the usual $6.00. I assume it was a very late build in Pittman history.

 

Careful examination, I've determined it IS original, never been disassembled. Also, running this motor under power, it's DEFINATLY a 12 volt wind.

 

Here's a shot

 

 

Another fun oddity is this 18 lam  DC65. This motor was built by Bowser. Bowser actually ended up with the Pittman tooling in the 70's and manufactured a few models for the model train industry. Other than the lam count, it appears to be identical to "normal" Pittmans. Also, this is a 12 volt wind and by the price tag, I'd guess an 80's build.

 

Here are a couple shots

 

 

 

 


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 11:53 AM

Thanks Pitt Man, great stuff.

 

I have to assume for the 17 lam 12V model Pittman was doing like everybody else: picking up whatever parts were left in its bins to make up motors.

 

For the 18 lam model, no theories on that one! Interesting info about Bowser...

 

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 03:22 PM

Always great to hear more information about any slot car product that continues on later than expected . Thanks a lot for posting Pitt Man :good:



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Posted 13 June 2015 - 12:23 PM

Hey guys, I've run into yet another DC65A variation.

 

I recently picked up a couple of nos, boxed 65a's that are 12 volt, 17 lams and green wire.

 

The paperwork is the usual, dated 1/2/64

 

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Posted 13 June 2015 - 04:51 PM

Thanks Bob, that is rather unusual! 

 

From what I've seen the wire color seems more random than keyed to voltage rating... The Tycos did did green and red for their 12V and 6V versions, but just checked some Kemtron Broncos and Mustangs for Gator Bob and they were mixed pretty equally! 

 

Will try to check out my Pittmans when I get a chance - my memory is they rarely used green wire... 

 

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Posted 13 June 2015 - 08:59 PM

Great thread, Thanks Steve!

 

Nice find Mr. Pitt Man, Polished up will make the green wire stand out even more. :sun_bespectacled:

 

... 6 volt / 12 volt, color, size or turns. The documentation is weak and .... the old black and white pictures don't help much ether ...  :sarcastic_hand:


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