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#1 Lone Wolf

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:45 AM

Today we have two massive decal sheets from back in the day.

 

First up is a Pactra sheet. It has great graphics and even supplies you with two vintage Mopar dash decals! If you have or collect vintage cars take a look at your stash. Those big roof numbers were very popular and made their way onto to many slot bodies back in the day. Why are the big numbers not in numerical order like the small ones? Some sort of secret code? We may never know. You may have a car with these numbers on them.

 

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Second sheet is somewhat rarer. It is a huge sheet by Mila Miglia measuring almost 12" X 9" inches. Huge amount of numbers in both shadowed and plain versions. Notice how they completely filled the sheet to all margins with wonderful decals. These were the days when companies put a lot of care into their offerings. Enjoy, LW

 

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:52 AM

Ooh, those are nice, Joe, and I don't think I've seen either one before!
 
Would love some company to reissue these, eh?
 
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:08 AM

Don,

 

Probably Pattos but someone does make the Pactra stock car sheet.

 

The first Pactra sheets were laid out wrong and only had one row of the small door numbers. If a car used three numbers the door ones had to be different!


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:09 AM

Don,

The Pactra sheet comes up. The Mila Miglia sheet is a bit more difficult to find. Patto may have both in his vast library... ?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:13 PM

I would venture a guess on the strange number sequence...

 

I think it was to maximize space and free room around the graphics.

The small number "1" is grouped together with the wide "8", "9", "0".

The "6", "7" and "5" sort of swirls into each others space in a nice manner.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:18 PM

Would love some company to reissue these, eh?


Wonder if that would actually be possible without paying licensing fees to companies whose logos are shown? Probably not...

Don't know if you are aware that the model railroading decal cottage industry has been essentially shut down by the railroad companies who demand non-trivial fees for the use of their logos on decal sets that were being sold to model railroaders.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:47 PM

My Novi has decals from both of those sheets. :D

 

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:01 PM

 Why are the big numbers not in numerical order like the small ones? Some sort of secret code? We may never know.  

 

I would venture a guess on the strange number sequence...

 

I think it was to maximize space and free room around the graphics.

The small number "1" is grouped together with the wide "8", "9", "0".

The "6", "7" and "5" sort of swirls into each others space in a nice manner.

 

Yeah, I think it's obviously to even out the two rows, width and shape wise.

 

To try to bring down the 8, 9, 0 to the second row, they would overlap with the 6, 7.

 

Also, the split between the two rows of small numbers is not in the center.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:17 PM

Wonder if that would actually be possible without paying licensing fees to companies whose logos are shown? Probably not...

 
Greg,

The trademark logos are so old and Patto being in Australia and working on such a small scale, it is very unlikely that anyone would ever bother him...

As an example, Ortmann makes the most splendid and high-quality decals with all kinds of trademark logos on it and has been for the past 15 years and has never been bothered.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:43 PM

P,

I don't buy that 100%.

I see Ford, Porsche, Champion, Ferrari, and Goodyear logos that are in current use.

In the model railroading realm, logos that haven't active for 75 years were targeted in some instances. And the decal makers were really small producers... some of them much smaller than Patto's.

It would nice if you were correct, but I think the exposure is not as minimal as you suggest.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:59 PM

Greg,

All these logos, including the Porsche example, have been changed several times since the 1960s. They MAY look the same but are not. The car and oil companies are only interested in protecting their current trademarks. I went through that all my life in the toy industry. The mistake that the train decals makers made was to attract the attention of the trademark holders by asking their permission, and that started the whole mess.

As an example, I represented for about ten years, a company manufacturing Ferrari models, with their trademark clearly exposed on the packaging and the cars. As I wanted to have that company make a special model for me, I wrote the trademark holder for models, Mattel, a letter requesting permission to make 500 models of that car.

The reply was swift and threatening: "any such attempt will cause legal action, we are not interested in royalties, we will make those models ourselves etc.".

So I told the guy in Italy to make the models, I imported and distributed them without Mattel and Ferrari consent and sold them all. That was in 2000/2005..

When you have such small quantities, they will never find out until someone literally put one under their ambulance-chaser attorneys noses.

Also if it is produced outside the USA and you set a "ghost" corporation, good luck to them and they know it.

As far as I am concerned, any advertising for them should be welcomed, but many of these companies are simply greedy and are after each penny to pay their shyster lawyers retainers.

So as far as I am concerned, EFF them all.

Over the years, only Porsche has been very cooperative in this regard, very nice people who encourage reproductions of their models.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:23 PM

None of the current 1/32 plastic cars carry any Goodyear logos now, regardless of whether the logo is current or from the 1960s. Take a look at the McLarens from Monogram and Carrera. There's a gap in the line of decals on the sides of the car and on the nose where the Goodyear diamonds should be:

 

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Carrera have gone as far as printing "Decent Decade" on the tires of cars that used Goodyears.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:42 PM

That's because they are high-visibility items on hobby shop shelves, and either Goodyear refused to allow a royalty agreement (as Mattel does) or wants too much money from Monogram or Carrera, that have not much of it.

The big loser here is Goodyear as anyone who buys the model can add a decal if they want to.

How to piss off your full-size tires customers...

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:41 AM


Why are the big numbers not in numerical order like the small ones? Some sort of secret code? We may never know.

 

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Look at the width of the "8 9 0" in the upper line.  They were moved up next to the narrower "1 2" in the upper line, so that it would be the same width as the lower line of large numbers.  In similar fashion, the "^6", "5" and "7" share each other's vertical space, and the right side of the "4" is accommodated by the left of the "3".  Someone in layout did a nice job of kerning to reduce the area required to produce the decal sheet.  But woe to the careless hobbyist who simply cut straight without making sure to cut around the intertwined numerals!

 

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:03 AM

Why are the big numbers not in numerical order like the small ones?

 

While spacing to leave room for the H.P. call-outs make a lot of sense .. how about this guess:

 

Leaves popular two digit numbers in groups for the roof that could be done with a single cut out.

The smaller door numbers still correspond with 4 two digit combos in the roof numbers that can also be made with one cut.

Ease of alignment, you know how it is when the second digit will not align to the detailers satisfaction. 

 

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