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#1 Chris Barnes

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:31 AM

I was looking at the rulebook for the Mid-South USRA and in the tires section, the rules state that the rear tires must be black rubber.
 
Does this mean that Speed rubber is legal?






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Posted 08 September 2013 - 06:56 PM

Nope :)


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:09 AM

Where does it state it is not legal in your rulebook?



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 08:28 AM

Confucius says it was never allowed.  You wont find any member who'd disagree with that.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 08:58 AM

Confucius says it was never allowed.  You wont find any member who'd disagree with that.

 

Actually I found 6 members this morning who did think it was allowed, that's why I asked here. Perhaps a rule clarification or official vote should be held at the next event to clear up any misinformation?



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:52 AM

It's surprising how many people do not actually read the rules they are racing under.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:15 AM

It's surprising how many people do not actually read the rules they are racing under.

 

You are correct.  But it's also surprising how often rules are made on the spot or intrepreted and those are not added to the rules...


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:15 AM

Tex, the rule states any black rubber tire may be used. Does that not sound like any black rubber tire is legal to you?



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:20 AM

Depending on your specific circumstances, Speed Rubber has been illegal, except for qualifing; written or unwritten rule, since the wing car Nats where they were introduced.  The why has been beaten to death so I won't repeat it here.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:27 AM

Your referring to USRA rules. This ORG voted to discontinue the use of USRA rules and write/use their own.

 

I am simply suggesting a clearification be made to all members before the new season starts, or vote to allow/disallow speed rubber at the next race as the by laws suggest.

 

Personally I don't care if it is legal or not, I just want there to be no questions or grey area on it like there is now. Obviously it is a grey area since Chris asked the initial question back in May and is just not receiving a response.



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:36 AM

Sorry for my confusion.  Since you have USRA in the title, I assumed that you follow USRA rules.  To make things more clear, why don't you change the name of your organization and remove the USRA from it.

 

 

Thanks...  


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:39 AM

This question was asked in May when they still ran USRA rules, since then the name changed and they dropped USRA from it.



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:40 AM

I wrote the Mid-South rules when I took the secretarial position 3 yrs ago, and no one could produce a written copy of the Mid-South rules.  They were supposed to be closely aligned with the national rules, with minor variations.  Now, the club has decided they no longer want to be called USRA, but this topic was started before that occured.

 

Funny it took 3 years for someone to notice speed rubber wasnt addressed.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:14 AM

Tex, the rule states any black rubber tire may be used. Does that not sound like any black rubber tire is legal to you?

 

LOL

 

Taken at face value, yes, your comment sounds valid. Not having read the rules y'll are discussing, I shouldn't go any deeper; I was just making a general comment about rules and people not being familiar with them. I'll butt out now.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:44 AM

2013 USRA rules. Page 28. Section ten. No speed rubber.

 

I don't think the stuff is legal anywhere.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:45 AM

Once again, this is not the USRA, and racers are not looking for assumptions, just clear black and white rules.



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:50 AM

One can assume the worst if they brings them to an event.  The horse is dead.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:53 AM

I would think the Mid South USRA rules would be the same as USRA's but I could only find USRA. But speed rubber has not been legal in any organized racing that I know of. But I don't know all the rules. Only those I could find on here(SB).

 

This is why rules are up dated and changed. 'cause us racers will always look for an advantage in the grey area.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:09 PM

We have at least on other "unwritten" rule.  If you're faster than the guy next to you, let them know as you approach.  They will gladly blip on the straight and let you by, rather than being marshalled and loosing must more time.

 

BTW....I had the topic title revised, removing "USRA"


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 01:42 PM

OK, I'll jump back in. LOL

 

I think that's an unwritten "rule" just about everywhere but it's definitely a "non-binding" rule. The other guy may have a different view about who's faster. And some feel that racing is racing no matter who you are and what position either of you are in; while I don't subscribe to that sentiment, I respect a racer's right to be of that opinion. In such cases, you just have to know who you are racing against and proceed accordingly... sometimes cautiously, other times aggressively.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 02:02 PM

LOL.  Oh, yea.  sometimes, I may barely catch someone, and just ride out the rest of the heat.  Others may drive aggressively, so I race them the way they race me.  It's all in fun. (or at least should be....they're just toy cars, you know) :)


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