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Posted 22 May 2013 - 06:53 AM

"The end of the Worlds"


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 07:29 AM

From the video, of the drivers that were visible at least all but one didn't blip during the close up.

 

Motor and reliability race, it seems.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:05 AM

Well, I'd suggest that car set-up is also a big factor.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:20 AM

I can barely even see the "cars".


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:48 AM

GREAT RACE!!! In the Main these drivers where turning 1.8s laps or faster throughout the race,on every lane... Petr Krcil even cranked off some 1.69s on yellow and orange.

With this sort of speed the crashes where spectacular!... Have a close look at Bill Skinners car after a deadman blast in one of the Semis...

 

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:26 AM

I sent the link to the video in post #1 to a friend who isn't a slot racer and after he commented on the extreme speed, I cranked some numbers for him that should be of interest.

 

Petr Krcil's 1.468 sec qualifying lap = 105.50 feet per second = 71.99 MPH.

 

His best race lap of 1.693 seconds = 91.55 feet per second = 62.42 MPH.

 

(The assumption was made that the Gerding King at BPR is a true 155' lap...)


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:32 AM

Pretty amazing. It's a different world.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:49 AM

But it is all part of the great and diverse hobby we call slot racing...


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:51 AM

Well, I'd suggest that car set-up is also a big factor.

 

At that level, it would be expected that set-up is correct for all the drivers. 


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:23 AM

This video clip of the Worlds OMO B Main shows the speed of wing cars through the turns. The OMO lap times were about a tenth second slower than the G7 lap times.
 
2013 Worlds OMO B Main


 
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 05:32 PM

Since hardly anyone is blipping, how do you know if you are a "rider"?

 

I guess if your first clue would be your car is slowing down...

 

Keep it in the slot (phrase becomes meaningless at the Worlds),

 

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 05:59 PM

If you haven't raced on the open level, you really don't know what is involved... Ask Mike Swiss, the past plu-perfect prestissimo player of the game (literary allusion... ten extra laps to anyone who gets it.)
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 07:26 PM

AJ,
 
I raced at the BPR Worlds race in 27L, OMO, and G7 and if you are a rider in another lane then your car will probably hit the wall on the next turn.

The faster the car the more you have to drive it. I can full-punch the middle lanes using a 27L slot car, but cannot do the same for a open slot car. I was breaking-in some tires on yellow and forgot to check the glue in the donut and hit a racer who was sitting near the track on the side of his head.

I think that racing open slot cars are not as easy as it looks and racing the best wing car racers is difficult at best.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:21 PM

If you haven't raced on the open level, you really don't know what is involved... Ask Mike Swiss, the past plu-perfect prestissimo player of the game (literary allusion... ten extra laps to anyone who gets it.)


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 03:22 AM

There is a lot of people trashing wing car racing on the net and at the track, and most of them have either never raced them, or had the skill to drive or set-up one.

Wing cars are a gas to drive or watch... I love all slot cars, and may wing car racing live for many years to come... I just wish I could afford to race them again. Well, maybe someday...

Take care all...

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:10 AM

Well said, Don!

 

Nice videos.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:20 AM

Keith,

 

Who was the videographer? You?


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:48 AM

Everyone please check your emotions at the door! I was not blasting anything, just making an observation.

 

It APPEARS that no one is blipping at all but I have raced (much slower) wing cars enough (still not nearly as good at it as other local racers) to know that it is the subtlety of the blipping that is the skill in driving these things, sometimes just rolling (imperceptably) off the full power band.

 

It is fully understandable that I would be curious about racing at this level and wondered what happens during a rider. It seems that both cars sharing the lane would slow down because they are sharing the power (you can feel another car in your lane in other classes) and, if the cars don't deslot with the controller held full on, then it is logical to conclude that they wouldn't deslot if going slower!

 

However, I have also noticed that the wing cars will deslot if you go too slow in the corners (they often NEED that velocity to create the downforce) so that might be why you will hit the wall in the next turn.

 

Just askin' and learnin'.

 

The speed of these cars is impressive as anything and, like any other class, the race is won back at the home shop and tuning at the track - it can be lost any time after that! It appears that these A-Main guys are the masters at getting everything right at race time, making it look deceptively easy.

 

Keep it in the slot (and defensiveness in check! - "we are ALL Bozo's on this bus"!),

 

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 12:07 PM

At the speeds wing cars are running now you can't set things up to require lots of driving or it will turn into a crash fest and a pile of broken cars with the expense going thru the roof.

 

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:10 PM

Who was the videographer? You?

 

Cheater,

 

I took the videos with my Sony camera. It takes very good video for a compact camera.

 

Keith :)


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:43 PM

Well, Keith, you're a man of many talents!


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:06 AM

Maybe the best way to explain this is that to scale racers driving is getting around the turns. To wing car racers driving is getting through traffic. The speeds are so fast, and closing speeds even with small speed differentials is very quick, then couple that with a mistake frequently taking on the carnage level of a small nuclear detonation, racing on a full track requires concentration and reflexes that are just as difficult as driving around a turn.

I would argue more but thats just a personal opinion. Racing wing cars on a track with three people is usually mind-numbingly boring. Racing with a full field of open cars is continuously exciting and exhausting unless of course you are as good as the guys in the video then it's just exciting, LOL.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:58 AM

Well said, Paul. Although I have not done a lot of wing car racing lately it is much more involved than it looks. Very high skill level required to do well.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:39 AM

Petr Krcil's 1.468 sec qualifying lap = 105.50 feet per second = 71.99 MPH.

 
Or... 1,700+ scale MPH.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:48 PM

Just 352 MPH (Froude's law).


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:39 PM

Just 352 MPH (Froude's law).

 

Hey....Who said?

 

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:52 PM

Does ANYONE get the joke?


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