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Posted 12 June 2013 - 10:46 PM

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:00 AM

Now, THAT'S an "open" motor!

 

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:11 AM

The Atlas BRM is in fact a car made by Marusan of Japan, like most Atlas models. Here is its sister car, the Cooper-Climax, in its Marusan RTR box:
 
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Both came in RTR and kit forms at both Marusan and Atlas. The Atlas version has its own "American Mags" wheel inserts but is otherwise identical to its Japanese brother.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:55 AM

Thanks, Tex!

BTW... I have never even disassembled this car... as is, as was. All I did was pop on a set of still good NOS Atlas tires... the originals had flats... not only on the bottom either... LOL.

I have the matching Cooper in yellow same excellent condition but it is missing the windshield. These are the set cars. I have the 1/24 set plus a big lot of extra track that I bought from you Dokk.... maybe in 1999...
 
The 1/32 set that my dad bought me was the second jump out of HO... Atlas HO first then Aurora HO.
Then to those underpowered 1/48 scale Aurora...  Atlas 1/32 figure 8 nice!... then you know what happened next... :spiteful:
... EIGHT lanes opened up :shok:  :yahoo:  :man_in_love:  :swoon:  And here I am now 50 years later. :to_become_senile:  
Dokk, the car you show is beautiful. Another difference is the spacers in black... but... Atlas et al did use the black spacers on the 1/32 set cars. Also it says "Giant Motor"... are the Marusan cars AT-408 powered?


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 10:26 AM

Marusan and Atlas cars use the same mechanical components. Atlas cars in the 1/32 scale use different wheels and tires.
 
Here is the Cooper in its two versions. First, the Marusan in kit and RTR form:
 
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Please note a subtle difference: the Marusan chassis on this RTR is made of aluminum. The brass will come later.
 
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Second, the Atlas Cooper in kit form:
 
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Last, the BRM in RTR and kit forms:
 
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Fortunately for the collectors, Atlas models and kits are still easily found since piles of them remained unsold after the crash of 1968, and were slowly liquidated by Auto World, then the remaining mess by Tom Pistone.

Tom's daughter is still selling them to this day!
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:12 AM

All 208 (short stack) motors, they were great in the 1/32 cars but underpowered for the 1/24 cars. The 408 has a lot more torque... I guess only used in the chassis kits for vacuum-molded bodies. The AT-206 (BB) motor makes the 1/32 cars fairly quick. The first 'hop-up" I did on these back in the day was streeeetch the brush springs...  :rolleyes: Lots of LubriPlate on the bevels and Aurora 'red' on the bushings. Like a rose... I can still smell it.  :give_rose:
 
Are treaded tires Korrect... molded name in the sidewall?

Tom's daughter is still selling them to this day!

 
IMO, with much respect for the "Tiger"... I find their prices are 'whack'.
 
Great box art!!! The set box art looks like your image number AT119.
 
Thanks for posting these nice pictures!
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:20 AM

Bob,

Yes, the tires are correct. Atlas cars used slick tires also made in Japan.
 
Box art is shared between Atlas and Marusan with minor variations. Please note that the Cooper driver is a like image of Bruce McLaren, who drove that car in 1963. The BRM driver is obviously Graham Hill, who should have won the title in 1963 with that very superior car to the Lotus Type 25. The only reason why Lotus won the title was because of Jimmy Clark, not because of the car under him that was a twist-o-flex pile. The BRM was vastly superior.
 
As far as Tom Pistone's prices, they were a LOT cheaper about eight years ago when anyone could get these cars for 20 bucks.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:49 PM

Nice car, Bob. That's some killer box art!
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Posted 14 June 2013 - 04:25 PM

Thank you, Mark!
 
Dokk, I'll see if I can get a windshield for the Cooper from the Pistones. Should I expect it to be very short like the one shown in J278_2?
 
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Atlas Cooper right - DCP01792s1.jpg

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 05:59 PM

Dokk, I'll see if I can get a windshield for the Cooper from the Pistone's.
Should I expect it to be very short like the one shown in J278_2?

 
No, because that one is obviously chipped!

But you can ask if he has spares for a Cooper windshield, we would buy one to repair that car.  :)

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 06:18 PM

I couldn't see the other side... If they have them I'll get you one... my treat. ;)
 
Remember this lot? :good:  When the grid goes down... I'll set it up with jumper cables... Thanks! :D

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 06:56 PM

Consider a generator run by a bicycle. The trick is to convince your better half to pedal while your race the cars.



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Posted 14 June 2013 - 08:15 PM

Consider a generator run by a bicycle. The trick is to convince your better half to pedal while your race the cars.

 

Bite your tongue ...or did you mean 'stationary' cause she don't race?

 

Hold your ears, and Ring the bell.  :shok: @1:46 :laugh2:  


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 09:08 PM

One would have assumed that we were talking "stationary" here. Come to think of it, recharging your Tesla in this manner has possibilities... MMMmmm. ^_^



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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:13 PM

:laugh2:

 

Too pricey for me.

 

I gotta buy two Cooper windshields, my wife a Volt, and a bicycle with a friction generator. :o  


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Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:35 AM

Love that BRM, Bob! It looks like it could be a picture from a magazine ad from the '60s. Perfect.  :)


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Posted 15 June 2013 - 01:25 AM

Love that BRM Bob! It looks like it could be a picture from a magazine ad from the 60's. Perfect :)

 

Rick,

 

Thanks, coming from a Master-Crafter that's big, cause I know.. that You know.. what looks good. :D

 

BTW: Those cars were shot with a first gen. 550 dollar (ouch), 1MB Kodak. It was the :bomb: back then... and it is again... LOL.

 

Note: BRM just needs the tires glued and trued. That's it!  - No detailing on this one. As is, as was.  :good:


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Posted 15 June 2013 - 01:33 PM

So thats what its supposed to look like... well this is as far as I have gotten. A206BB...

 

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Sidetracked till I get around to getting some 2/56 nuts and bolts to hold everything together...

Got it from Tom's daughter, '07 I think... no shipping, local pickup. Cute blond...  :wink3:


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Posted 15 June 2013 - 11:43 PM

Mac, that's the AT-406 .. the AT-206 is a short stack w/ green wire BB.


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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:52 AM

Yep, Chrissy Pistone is a very sweet gal, and supplied us all with dozens and dozens of motors! I don't think they have any windshields left, unfortunately, those seem to have run out a long time ago! 

 

But... I was talking to Brad Blohm in Bordo, and his friend who does resin repros is planning to repop these - not right away, but eventually... 

 

The AT206 is actually a much quicker motor than the AT406, even in 1/24 - just have to keep the weight down. The AT406 seems to me a bit of a dog, although it is smooth...

 

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:01 AM

Here's one I just picked up from Joel (Merkit the Grof) in Bordo - it's the Japanese aluminum version of this chassis, and he said he's seen these kind of wheels on other chassis of this type... anybody else? 

 

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 09:15 AM

Yes, those are the correct wheels for the Marusan models. The same but in the smaller scale were fitted on the 1/32 scale cars.

But these were the 1965 versions. A year later, the chassis were made of brass instead of aluminum, and the wheels were plain aluminum without those humongous knock-offs... :)

And a year later, Marusan was bankrupt, with debts in the millions of Yens when distributors returned mountain of unsold slot cars for credit.  :(

The ugly story, reported to me by Marusan President Eiji Kaminaga, is reported in detail in the new book.



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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:43 PM

Were any production cars equipped with the AT-206?

 

I thought (for all these years) that they were an option only (sold separately) motor. 

No Atlas expert ... but always had a soft spot for them. :) 

 

Even built a 206 that I bought from AutoWorld in a 1/24 scratch in 89-90 .... complete with body clip mounting ... lol.

Wow  .. slow and Hot on a commercial track. I'll post some picks when I dig it out.


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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:47 PM

Don, Thanks for the pics and the up-date on availability on the Cooper wind-screens.....  or is it deflector.. lol


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Posted 16 June 2013 - 09:42 PM

First series Marusan Ferrari with those humongous knock-offs on featureless wheels:

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Please note that the car is advertised with ball bearings on the motor and rear axle, but I think that it has oilites in both... to be verified!  :)



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Posted 16 June 2013 - 09:47 PM

That is just too ugly, but the BB axles are cool.

So the 208 and 206 are called the 'giant' motors? They must have been watching too many Godzilla movies.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 03:31 AM

Hmm, and the box says "In kit form", when it sure looks like a RTR to me... man, those knockoffs are ugly in 1/32!

 

Curioser and Curioser...

 

Pretty sure the AT206 ball bearing 6V model was never used in a kit - except for the ones later put together by Auto World, assuming they used both models of this motor.

 

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 11:29 AM

This one was built a few years ago......original chassis (brass) and motor, but I used Russkit wheels and BWA inserts.

 

I have the BRM as well.....have yet to build.

 

Cheers

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 11:33 AM

Nice car Chris, The engine screen came out great, how did you do that?


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 11:46 AM

Hi Bob, I wish I could say that it was a genius modelling technique..................but, I just brushed on some Tamiya XF-56 (metallic grey)

 

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:06 PM

And a 1/32 Ferrari 158, also done a few years ago, this one with BWA wheels/inserts.

 

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:08 PM

Chris,

Nice save on a so-so car!  I like the K&B version much more...

 

Hmm, and the box says "In kit form",

 

 

One has to understand that in 1965, Google-translate did not exist, and what appears weird to us was simply a lot of misunderstanding from likely, the Pidgin-Glish speaking secretary at Marusan in charge of defining the text of export boxes and instruction sheets.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:46 PM

Hmm, I must have missed that Philippe... 

 

Real nice cars Chris; I kinda like the Atlas Cooper myself, but either that or the K&B needs to be prettied up a bit. It's the 1/32 Atlas Brabham that I really like! As much as the two Mono F1s... 

 

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 04:02 PM

I have a nicely built Atlas BT3 signed by Sir Jack but you will have to pry it from my cold body first! :D

I gave him one too because he asked...  :)

And I agree that the Marusan BT3 is one of the nicest 1/32 scale F1 slot car ever made.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 06:08 PM

Well we can agree on the little green one, the little red one where my first cars that had a guide flag. The Brabham would beat the Ferrari every time because it was the 'pace car' while I thumbed the the other.

 

Now Dokk and I agree on two things ... Music and Atlas .... Unbelievable  :D

 

All that 'stuff' from BiTD was gone .. in 89 I put this one together.

see... :paint2:  Wrong flag, wrong motor, broken headers, no 'center caps, glue blob, wrong spacers and no signatures.....

 

I like the 'Firestone Gum Dipped' tires better than the correct RBL 'Atlas' tires.

Motor from AW, front chassis and body from Mr. Louis Nickes (sp) in NJ, tires from evilpay.

 

I love it just way it is. :wub:  Still have to get the little red one. :to_become_senile:

 

 

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:24 PM

Now Dokk and I agree on two things ... Music and Atlas .

 

 

Bob, we will NEVER agree about music. You are into freaky, druggy and loud, I am into serene beauty by people of which the worse ingesting offense would have been to drink absinthe. No way it can ever be reconciled.  :laugh2: 



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:09 PM

Can we agree on the Firestones?

 

Never touch the stuff , if you get up and jam to 'druggy' music you'll never need a drink again. :laugh2:

 

Drinking = :)  :D  :crazy:  :wacko2:  :heat:  :bad:


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:39 PM

Bob,

There is no way in this entire wide world of sport that you will make me a fan of that crap, sorry. :)

I was born in the wrong century.  Music is like art and literature, all had their peak, in about 1915. It's been downhill ever since, and getting worse.

All one has to do is read on one side,  León Tolstói, on the other side, Hemingway to find out how quickly things went down with literature. And that's before Superman comic books became available!  :laugh2:

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:29 PM

Bob- When I talked to Chris Pistone years ago, I asked her about the windshields. The story I got was that all the Atlas stuff was stored in Tiger Tom's garage/warehouse and when the opened up the body kits and parts, all the windshields except for a few were shattered or crushed. Either they had been molded too thin, or because of some weight of the boxes on top of them had boken them. Not being in a controlled temp environment could also have made the brittle. I really wanted a couple myself. :cray:  


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 09:44 PM

Chis, I think that car came out great !!! :good:

And a 1/32 Ferrari 158, also done a few years ago, this one with BWA wheels/inserts.

 

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 09:55 PM

 

 

Even built a 206 that I bought from AutoWorld in a 1/24 scratch in 89-90 .... complete with body clip mounting ... lol.

Wow  .. slow and Hot on a commercial track. I'll post some picks when I dig it out.

 

This car was posted under the title of  'Atlas Scratch'


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 02:30 PM

Nice looking cars guys! :)


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 02:35 PM

Bob do you still need a windshield for the cooper?

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 02:54 PM

Mdiv,

 

If you have a spare :good:  .... I was eyeballing your green Cooper ... for the windshield. :crazy:


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 03:39 PM

PM sent! ;)

 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 02:52 AM

Hello. I'm an Altas motor fan. I have read about the AT-406 and I have a few of them, remagnetized, ready to go into 1/32 slot car chassis and a couple of 1/24.

However, Im have having trouble with giving one motor a tune-up. 

I bought an Atlas tune-up kit off ebay.  Each spring allows the carbon brush to fit inside, but the springs are too wide to fit inside the brass retaining screws.

 

Wanting to know why, I pulled down another one of my Atlas motors, which has thinner brushes.

Can I drill out the brass retaining screw so that it will accept the spring?

Otherwise, where can I find a pair of new replacement (thinner) motor brushes?

 

If anyone can tell me the names of each Atlas motor I would appreciate it.

I'm curious to know why Altas changed the brush size width? The motors sure looks the same.

 

One more question, if I may. I have an armature with green wire. What is the difference between that and those with plain brass wire?

 

  Thank you. 

Steve, from Brisbane, Australia   (4 pictures attached)

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:25 PM

Is this the kit you are using?

It is on ebay as -

 

1 Set Vintage TRADESHIP Japan 1/24 1/32 Slot Car CARBON BRUSHES SCREWS +SPRINGS

 

 

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:40 PM

Ah, thanks Bob, hadn't considered that!

 

Kemtron used the same coil spring brush setup as Atlas, but for totally different motors.... the ones on the bottom here.

 

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 06:05 PM

Is this the kit you are using?

It is on ebay as -

 

1 Set Vintage TRADESHIP Japan 1/24 1/32 Slot Car CARBON BRUSHES SCREWS +SPRINGS

 

 

I'm fairly certain that kit is the right one.

However (although the price is fine), the sum given to post them to Australia is more than USD$80  :heat:

No response from the seller.

 


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Posted 18 November 2017 - 09:11 PM

That's insane. A small packet like a small padded envelope to Australia from the USA is less than 5 bucks, and $13.20 if you want to have it electronically followed.


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