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#1 Gator Bob

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:05 PM

Who was the first owner/driver to put 'wings' (vertical side dams) on a Flopper body?


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:46 PM

The Snake?.....................


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:57 PM

Very Good guess but no ....


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 05:19 AM

Hmmmm....interesting question. First wing I saw at all was on Bob Taylor's Time Machine Camaro funny car back in the 70's. As far as the Air Dam kinda thing I would think that would have been John Force.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 06:25 AM

Pretty sure it was Don Shumaker on the Wonder Wagon to try and generate some down force.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:38 AM

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:51 AM

Big Daddy.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 10:21 AM

My Vote is for King Kenny Bernstine & his Batmobil...........

 

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 10:26 AM

Don't think Big Daddy's FC ever had those. My brother in law, Gary Bolger dorve that car at the time and I do not recall seeing them in any of the pics. Can check with him to be sure.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:12 AM

Nah---I don't remember who it was-  but "streamlining" was tried in the early days by several guys--and those cars had "wings" on them!!  Back in the early 60's!
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 12:48 PM

Good guesses ...  give a couple of days then ... hints.

 

The type of early slot car side dams. 

 

Short tapered angled starting at or behind the C pillar then up to the rear spoiler.

 

Not only for some down force but more for keeping the car going straight at speed.

 

 

 

Don't think Big Daddy's FC ever had those. My brother in law, Gary Bolger dorve that car at the time and I do not recall seeing them in any of the pics. Can check with him to be sure.

The Wonder Wagon Vega panel was wild.

Very very cool !  I loved that Charger body.

You're right not Big Daddy.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:15 PM

Bruce Larson, USA1.....................


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:11 PM

Bruce Larson, USA1.....................

 Nope ... good guess, but do you remember the mural painted on his Covette F/C rear window ... lol


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:59 PM

 Nope ... good guess, but do you remember the mural painted on his Covette F/C rear window ... lol

Ah yes, the '...survived TMI" mural.  LOL

 

I am going to the NHRA New England Nationals Friday.  The 2nd round of qualifying kicks off at 7:30PM so I will get a dose of fuel at twilight.

 

Feeling very nostalgic for mid-70's funny cars.  Modern fuel racing is far to corporate for my liking.

[http://www.70sfunnycars.com/]

 

And "Jungle" Pam, the queen of backup girls and the prototype for those to follow.  Do they even have backup-girls now?

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:09 PM

My Vote is for King Kenny Bernstine & his Batmobil...........

 

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Agreed. Kenny Bernstein.

 

In 1987.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:18 PM

Ah yes, the '...survived TMI" mural.  LOL :good:  :good: :good:  

 

I am going to the NHRA New England Nationals Friday.  The 2nd round of qualifying kicks off at 7:30PM so I will get a dose of fuel at twilight.

NICE!!!

 

Feeling very nostalgic for mid-70's funny cars.  Modern fuel racing is far to corporate for my liking. Me Too! No variety, or 'funny' stuff and names on the cars.  :clapping: 1800-2000 HP was enough, 8000 hurts.

On TV ... well I do love the Super Slo-mo shots :shok: but that's about it.

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And "Jungle" Pam, the queen of backup girls and the prototype for those to follow.  Do they even have backup-girls now?

[http://junglepam.com/] :heart:  :crazy:

JJ was a true showman !!!  :sun_bespectacled: 

It was all about the show on Match Race days. :D 

 

 


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:20 PM

Agreed.

 

In 1987.

 

A decade before that.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 03:30 PM

Who was the first owner/driver to put 'wings' (vertical side dams) on a Flopper body?

I don't have a clue Bob so I will take a wild guess - "TV" Tommy Ivo.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:26 PM

Good one Nate ... but no.

Speaking of wild...

Did you ever see his Chaparral trailer with the plexi sides so you could see the car in the trailer... very cool for back in the day.

 

 

Some day I'll scan my old drag photos and put that trailer up..


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:34 PM

If it's 10 years earlier than Kenny Bernstein, I doubt anyone will get it, unless they make a lucky guess.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:56 PM

Kenny was just coming on to the pro touring NHRA funny car scene at that time.

 

Clues:

 

One guy that was running close to Ricks guess even though the Snake was running Sneaky Pete in his frame rails.

Tim is close by and .....  Snoopy might have feared him.

A slot car guy sat with him and said 'hey, over here we are doing this, and it works .. not for downforce, but it will keep the car going straight on the big end'

That was me.

 

If you guys... don't want to play this game any more I'll just say who it is.

Then you can prove me wrong. lol

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:59 PM

Here is another.

 

Who was the first 'kid' to bring his stuff to the track in a tractor-trailer set up?


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:59 PM

Tom McEwen ??


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:02 PM

 

 

 

If you guys... don't want to play this game any more I'll just say who it is.

 

Did you ever give us the answer on to keep a Stocker from going airborne?


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:09 PM

Did you ever give us the answer on to keep a Stocker from going airborne?

Yes ... a piano hinge at the base of the rear spoiler so the spoiler would flop over if the car turn backward.. reducing lift.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:13 PM

Refresh my memory.

 

And they don't do it why ?


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:31 PM

Refresh my memory.

 

And they don't do it why ?

  :unknw:

No one told'em?

Fear of cheating?

Engineers ... not invented here theory?

It's too simple? A piano hinge and 1/4" grade 3 bolts in the aluminum struts. 


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:39 PM

The Flying Dutchman, Stan Bowman from Ohio? The Ohio State Patrol car.....................


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:36 PM

The Flying Dutchman, Stan Bowman from Ohio? The Ohio State Patrol car.....................

No for either ...  but don't just love all those cool pet names on the cars?


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:43 PM

Well its been long enough, who do you say it is?


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:06 PM

OK Rick ... for you ;)

 

 

Gary Burgin - on the wings.

 

Billy Meyer - on the tractor-trailer.

 

And ... For slotblogger and 15 year T/F mechanic Steve Boggs ...

- John Force ran a chain drive sidewinder Funny Car. It was banned ...

When he 'threw a chain ... he Threw a chain too far one time too many times ...  LOOK OUT ... lol


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:17 PM

I'll save everyone else asking.

 

Where's a pic of the car?


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:23 PM

Yes please, pic and year..................

 

Although I don't know the exact year this was sorta what you were implying? Subtle but there............

 

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:28 PM

...ok never mind...lol


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:20 PM

I have been holding this in because ... I didn't think you guys would believe it.

But had to tell you that slot cars DID change the aero aspect of 1:1 Funny Cars .. before I get hauled away ... lol

I'll save everyone else asking.

 

Where's a pic of the car?

I can't find one on the net.

National Dragster, Car Craft, Hod Rod ... etc... I held on to those newspapers and magazines till 10/2003 when I moved to Fl. I was at a point where it didn't even matter, trashed'em.

 

'Waco Willie' Meyer's  TT hauler was the cover story in one of those color mags. I will never forget the day he pulled up in that. His Daddy owned SMI selling motivational tapes and the car was called 'SMI Motivator'.  

 

 

Yes please, pic and year..................

 

Although I don't know the exact year this was sorta what you were implying? Subtle but there............

 

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Date: July 1975 at the SummerNationals is when I told him to try it. I was just sick of watching Don 'the snake' win everything .. he was too fast, I watch closely at the big end... he was even sandbagging .. later understood he was using nitrous in the frame rails. Burgin had the shot on the national level to beat him. It was a tip for the underdog. That's It.

Yes short 'wings' like that, that shot would be a follow of Burgin .. that pic would have to be like 76-77 ... see the Arrow in the other lane.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:01 PM

LOL, you mention Nitrous. Eckerts car blew up on the line at Columbus a few years ago and his trailer was beside my buds and sat empty all weekend. He/ they bailed!  And wasn't that why Glidden won so many races? I used to watch him run past a loss on the top end, too many times.........................


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:48 PM

LOL, you mention Nitrous. Eckerts car blew up on the line at Columbus a few years ago and his trailer was beside my buds and sat empty all weekend. He/ they bailed!  And wasn't that why Glidden won so many races? I used to watch him run past a loss on the top end, too many times.........................

 

Glidden was killin'em, all the Fords were fast for more then a few years. Factory backing to Glidden, Gapp & Roush (yes the cat in the Hat) and Dyno Don. Dyno Don ran what we call 'the smoke motor' rumor was he only was running 2 rings ..  gas port top and the oil ring. Wow did it smoke and go.

NHRA controlled who would run good when, it was all about the weight breaks to 'equalize' the field. Mopars, then Chevys and AMC, then the Fords.

 

There are some great drama stories in drag racing .. I don't keep up at all these days ... but check out the break-in at the Alderman/Geffrion 'Dodge Boys Mopar shop in ...um... 86ish it's a duzzy.  They were on a roll ... then they didn't show at E-town for the Summers.. I'm a Mopar guy.. I was there... I was pissed.

No official word why they didn't show. My next issue of ND showed up on Wed. the story came out... it was a cover up that they were cheated up AND sell Coke, laundering drug money through the cars and shop. The break in was to make the parts disappear and the legal parts that were left behind were smash with sledge hammers. Alderman did time for the Coke. 


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:53 PM

 

Glidden was killin'em, all the Fords were fast for more then a few years. Factory backing to Glidden, Gapp & Roush (yes the cat in the Hat) and Dyno Don. Dyno Don ran what we call 'the smoke motor' rumor was he only was running 2 rings ..  gas port top and the oil ring. Wow did it smoke and go.

NHRA controlled who would run good when, it was all about the weight breaks to 'equalize' the field. Mopars, then Chevys and AMC, then the Fords.

 

There are some great drama stories in drag racing .. I don't keep up at all these days ... but check out the break-in at the Alderman/Geffrion 'Dodge Boys Mopar shop in ...um... 86ish it's a duzzy.  They were on a roll ... then they didn't show at E-town for the Summers.. I'm a Mopar guy.. I was there... I was pissed.

No official word why they didn't show. My next issue of ND showed up on Wed. the story came out... it was a cover up that they were cheated up AND sell Coke, laundering drug money through the cars and shop. The break in was to make the parts disappear and the legal parts that were left behind were smash with sledge hammers. Alderman did time for the Coke. 

I remember that, they story on the airplane, some guy came up and told them he noticed ????? He noticed no nitrous on board yet. LOL But it was exciting........................


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:20 AM

I remember that, they story on the airplane, some guy came up and told them he noticed ????? He noticed no nitrous on board yet. LOL But it was exciting........................

 LOL ... for me ... there is Nothing better then 70s Pro/Stock racing.

 

Watch Dandy Dick (RIP) shift that Lenco to second gear after 1/2 of a turn of the tire at this match race against 'da Grump' (RIP) on a track in Canada .. Big torque, cold track, yank the lever'  NICE - http://www.youtube.c...h?v=8alIH2LxnWY  :good: Think Dick ran about 1600ft to Bills 1320ft... to the wall near end then takes a cone in the lights ..  lol   See the Show :clapping:

 

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:29 AM

Bob,

Since you can't find a pic, how tall were these side dams ?


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:41 AM

This was pretty early on?

 

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:42 AM

Bob,

Since you can't find a pic, how tall were these side dams ?

Like the ones shown above on Larson's car ... a lilttle longer toward (starting closer to) the 'C' pillar. It helped top end keeping the car from wagging its tail and the spoilers got shorter and the cars top speeds went higher because the 'extra' downforce (drag) was not needed to drive the car straight.  

 

Back to the piano hinge ... check the blow over on the #39 @ 0:13 ... IMO ... that car if it had the spoiler hinged it may have not left the ground or at a minimum not blown all the way over. It never turn the open drivers side window in to the 'wind'.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:52 AM

This was pretty early on?

 

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It does look so ... budget teams did run the same bodies for years with upgrades like that to keep up.

I can't tell if that is a 74, 75,76,or a 77 Camaro.

Was the picture dated? 

Burgin put them on a it worked, everyone followed.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 01:22 PM

 LOL ... for me ... there is Nothing better then 70s Pro/Stock racing.

 

Watch Dandy Dick (RIP) shift that Lenco to second gear after 1/2 of a turn of the tire at this match race against 'da Grump' (RIP) on a track in Canada .. Big torque, cold track, yank the lever'  NICE - http://www.youtube.c...h?v=8alIH2LxnWY  :good: Think Dick ran about 1600ft to Bills 1320ft... to the wall near end then takes a cone in the lights ..  lol   See the Show :clapping:

 

Don Carlton (RIP) was my favorite with his Trick Titanium backed Mopar Missle. :heart:  

 

I have already been called out for going off topic in another thread but at the risk of alienating myself even more...............

 

I too was a huge fan of Pro Stocks in the seventies. Used to sneak into the old Detroit dragway for the weekly match races. Usually on the card was the Sox & Martin's Cuda, Dyno Don's Maverick and later Mustang II (my favorite), Grumpy Jenkins Camaro, and 5 other big name pro stockers that changed from week to week. Those were some great times!

 

Pro Stocks were a favorite of mine in my model building as well............

 

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 01:48 PM

Well Raisin, I am with you. The Match race days were some of the best ever, from the early A/FX cars up thru the early Pro Stock cars. I guess we are all just getting old and remember our youth. I still like Pro Stock the best when I go to a National Event. Thread drift is just something that happens and I don't think Bob will get too upset as he's a gear head too...................:)


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 12:22 AM

Raisin .. drift to the centerline .. just wheel over.

You builds look great ... DD's Mustang II was bad fast.  smokin fast ;)

 

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Who was first to put a 'Legal' big block Chevy P/S powered car in the 8s at a sanctioned Big race?

 

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:08 AM

I'll take a stab and say Lee Sheperd? But he may have still been running his Maverick in those years? I know the natural choice would be Grumpy, but..................


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:12 AM

I'll take a stab and say Lee Sheperd? But he may have still been running his Maverick in those years? I know the natural choice would be Grumpy, but..................

 

Nope ... great guess. it may have been / probably was an ex-Reher Morrison or Da Grump-Lombardo car.  

 

Hint - He drove with Disco platform shoes on... lol


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 03:24 PM

The car was white.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 05:47 PM

Gliddens demise was the NHRA instituting a fuel tech. First race that it was announced that Pro-Stock fuel would be tested for additives Glidden failed to qualify. This rule change effectively put a end to Bob Glidden as a Pro Stock powerhouse.

 

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