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[Noose]

Please note that TrueScale has made changes to the Kirby Long Associated Ti22, Part Number TSR24, and has maintained the same part number without submitting the modified body for approval. The changes include the extension of the side dams down the entire length of the front fenders which we do not approve of and have not on others submitted. The picture depicted on the TrueScale site for this part number remains the same as the old one.
 
You can see the differences below.
 
Therefore, the new version is NOT legal in IRRA™ events even though the part number on the approved list is the same.  The old version is still legal for use.
 
Approved version:


 
New version:

[TSR]

[A. J. Hoyt]

Is this a joke? I can't say that I can see the differences in the front side dam.

 

Are you talking about the area right behind the fender?

[Noose]

OK, here is another pic.  The fins go all the way down the front fender.

 

 

 

[A. J. Hoyt]

Just to clarify, if there is any fin on top of the wheel well arch, the body was never approved?

 

It may be an optical illusion from the paint job in the upper of the two images shown earlier but it appears the former approved body has a fin all the way down the fender, on top of the fender well and all the way down to the ground (particularly the far side fender), just the same as the lower picture clearly has.

[Noose]

Just to clarify, if there is any fin on top of the wheel well arch, the body was never approved? 

 

I think your question is if there is a fin on top of the wheel well arch and forward then the body won't be approved. If that is what you are asking then the answer is yes as we have not approved other TI-22 bodies submitted from JK as well as Parma for that reason.

[JimF]

AJ:

 

Nooses artistry in paint sorta obscures the fin. Here are a couple of shots with more mundane paint so you can see it better. FWIW.....I'm not sure I'd call this a "fin" but nevertheless it is there on both the TI-22 and the newish McLaren. TI-22 shown with an O/S TI-22R for comparison.

 

 

[MantaRay]

IMO.........Victor at Truescale pulls a great realistic Slot Car Body. The only problem is that they only seem to be available out West. They are not readily available in the MidWest or out East. Not exactly on topic........just some food for thought

[JimF]

Not sure that Victor's bodies are any harder to get than those of Mr. Dilworth. I'm told that Eagle carries Victor's bodies in some models but that may just be a rumor. If true, then the raceways out east ought to be able to get 'em. If you plan in advance, you can usually get TS bodies in a reasonably timely manner. You do have to place the order, then wait a few days and call him to remind him.......that usually works.

 

FWIW.....and my $0.02 only.......I think that this version TI-22 is still closer to the original 'Kirby' than say the O/S TI-22 R or the various approved JK's.

 

Just sayin'

[Noose]

Jim I plan ahead and I can't get them as a painter.

 

As for Dilworth, anyone can get them through me or Duffy.  I usually carry some of his stock and import them as needed.

 

Also, the point of this is that we have an approval process and it was not followed making a change to an approved body. It has nothing to do with whether it resembles a real Kirby or any other maker's TI22.

 

The body is obviously approved by S.C.R.R.A as it has been used out there for some time.  That's fine. 

[Noose]

AJ:

 

Nooses artistry in paint sorta obscures the fin. Here are a couple of shots with more mundane paint so you can see it better. FWIW.....I'm not sure I'd call this a "fin" but nevertheless it is there on both the TI-22 and the newish McLaren. TI-22 shown with an O/S TI-22R for comparison.

 

 

 

This has nothing to do with them or the subject at hand. It has to do with the approval process and making changes without it being submitted.  If that is a McLaren then it sure looks like a Ti22 version.  Is that a new True Scale one too?

[JimF]

 

This has nothing to do with them or the subject at hand. It has to do with the approval process and making changes without it being submitted.  If that is a McLaren then it sure looks like a Ti22 version.  Is that a new True Scale one too?

 

Yes, that McLaren is also the current T/S M8A. JOOC.....if you have a body in hand to apply paint to it.........does that give you enough time to evaluate it? Or does the same body have to come direct from the supplier as sort of a different and more official process?

 

[Noose]

The supplier has to send samples to us.  Once approved it cannot be used in competition for 30 days.

 

I do not have one of these and won't order any unless a customer wants one done. or the customer sends me one to paint.

[Paul Jurczyszyn]

Why is there rules on what body to use and why? If you building your cars to speck I can't see what difference the body realy makes as long as you don't add to the org. Pull fom the mold. So please explaine to me so I can understand.
Paul

[John Streisguth]

Paul, these rules have been in place for nearly 7 years.  It keeps a lid on aerodynamic enhancement.  The SCRRA is even more restrictive.

 

Is this something you haven't seen before?  Not trying to be a smart-***, just wondering about the question.

[JimF]

The supplier has to send samples to us.  Once approved it cannot be used in competition for 30 days.

 

I do not have one of these and won't order any unless a customer wants one done. or the customer sends me one to paint.

 

Gotcha.

 

Since you have already had one in hand long enough to paint it, you have seen what this version is. If TS sent you one through official channels, would you approve it? Or....would you have to see it again to say?

[Mopar Rob]

Ego's, control and petty tyranny. The ridges don't offer any significant performance advantage over the O/S, Parma or JK Ti22. All but 5 get it.

[Noose]

 

Gotcha.

 

Since you have already had one in hand long enough to paint it, you have seen what this version is. If TS sent you one through official channels, would you approve it? Or....would you have to see it again to say?

 

No it would probably have not been approved as we have not approved similar ones submitted by JK and Parma.

[Noose]

Ego's, control and petty tyranny. The ridges don't offer any significant performance advantage over the O/S, Parma or JK Ti22. All but 5 get it.

 

No Rob, it is a matter that the rule, as John noted above has been place for a very long time and all other manufacturers follow it.  There was also a case where one maker ignored the changes suggested / required for approval and approved the body for use in another series.  That's fine.  The case here is that the change was made and the same part number was used.

 

As for any significant advantage, one does not know since it is not run here but is run in another organization. 

[Mopar Rob]

If it was better than the ones I listed racers would use it in tm and LLC. Handout the cool aid to those drink it. Like I said all but 5 get it

[Noose]

They didn't know about it since it was not announced as even being available Rob to those outside the SCRRA.  I got it because they were sent to me to paint and I did the investigation.   That's my job and no kool aid needed.

[Mopar Rob]

For guy that moderate the board, I guess all of you missed Haruki's question months back? Anyway from past experience this is just a waste of my time. Obviously you drink tour own cool aid

[tonyp]

WHATEVER....  

[Half Fast]

Noose -

 

Is the O/S TI-22R (the upper body in JimF's photo) IRRA legal?

 

Cheers

[MSwiss]

 FWIW.....and my $0.02 only.......I think that this version TI-22 is still closer to the original 'Kirby' than say the O/S TI-22 R or the various approved JK's.

 

 

 

  The ridges don't offer any significant performance advantage over the O/S, Parma or JK Ti22. 

Jim,Rob,

It's not a matter of whether the new T/S would have a performance advantage over any other Ti22.

 

It's a matter of us not being able to see an example of a real Ti22, with air dams the whole length of the body.

 

In the case of the O/S 473 / Ti22R and the Parma 1041B, there is an example of the real car having those dams along part of the front fender.

See below.

 

We just  made Parma remove those full length dams, like the ones on the latest version of the TS 024, on Parma's original submittal  of the recently approved narrow nose Ti22.

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