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#26 Dennis David

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:14 PM

Thanks for the explanation as always.

I was told there are more Bugatti 35s now than were ever built. Maybe some truth in that.

On that subject the "historics" are just around the corner.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:04 PM

Dennis,

There are more Alfa 8C and P3, more Bugatti T35, T37, T51, T57, T59, nearly three times as many Maserati 250F, Lotus 23, and Chevron B9, B16, B19, B23 as made in the day, and this is not counting all the fake Ferrari GTOs, Testa Rossa, Aston DB4GT, and all kind of other machinery that has been built since the real ones raced.

It's the nature of the beast. The lies and tall stories come with them, but if it was not for some of them, there would be none still racing...

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 11:19 AM

GRC Spitfire 1/24 slot car
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 12:37 PM

Nice find, Bob. But I don't think I'd want to pay $100 for it. But I guess one mans junk is another man's treasure.
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 05:09 PM

Nice original French EBD rewind though... haven't seen a lot of those. Plus Cox gear and what looks like a Cox driver... not sure the guy realizes exactly what he has. 
 
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 05:12 PM

Michael,

It all depends on which side of the junk you stand. Ask the guy who sold his "Cyclonic Tornado" slot car a couple weeks ago for a cool 2,200 bucks. 

At this time, this car on eBay has a motor that is not original, the driver has been painted which reduces the collectible value, the decals are modern MRE, so a collector would really need this piece or parts of it to justify spending a bill on it.
 
Don, it is not a Cox driver, it is the original GRC that is copied on the K&B driver from their Blue Monster, itself a copy of the original MPC that was used on the Lancia and Scarab models. The whole torso is different from the Cox model.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 03:52 AM

Thanks, Philippe, I didn't check that before writing it, just relied on my memory, which is never a very good idea... This is at least the second time the guy is listing this car, so don't think he'll sell it for that price...
 
If that really is an original French can drive rewind, seems that's much rarer than the usual endbell drive - don't think I've ever seen one in fact - any ideas?
 
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PS: Here's my own Spitfire, that I entered in one of the first Thingie Proxy races... I was able to drive it myself in Turin, and it wasn't that bad, but it wasn't very competitive either! It actually looks kind of nice with a little extra paint detailing, like I did on the wheels (the rears are bare because they had to be replaced after a screw stripped - one of the drawbacks of the plastic wheels!)
 
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Posted 08 August 2013 - 05:52 AM

Looks like Chaparral logo on nose of the white eBay one.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 07:29 AM

People, you will have to forgive me about your opinions on collecting classic slot cars, I have never understood the concept. I understand collecting items that remind us of our youth and a more simple time when worries were few and joy was many.

When I got back into slot car racing the second time in the mid-'80s I would see people coming to the track proudly holding their Monogram, Cox, or you fill in the blank original slot car beaming with pride. I would think to myself and sometimes foolishly ask, why would you pay that type of money for one of the main reasons slot car racing did not make it? I can remember as a young kid in the early to mid-'60s to saving my money and going to talk to a track owner and would be told that this new Monogram car was the one to have and race. I would pay the then princely sum (whatever it was) to purchase the beautiful scale car and dream of going back and winning a race. Next day reality would set in when I put my costly and beautiful hard plastic car on the track and get lapped once every two laps by one of the racers.

I do not mean this as a slam to those of you who cherish these slot cars of the past, however, I just do not get the concept.

Yes, I did stay in long enough to understand and learn the art of soldering, bending of wire, and the art of painting a body from the inside, however, I have often wondered how many young kids had my same experience and left because of disappointment and did not stay in this hobby.

I do understand that my experience and those of others were most likely the result of track owners just wanting the quick buck, however, every time I see one of these hard plastic slot cars my original memories rush back.
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Posted 08 August 2013 - 08:10 AM

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 09:57 AM

If that really is an original French can drive rewind, seems that's much rarer than the usual endbell drive - don't think I've ever seen one in fact - any ideas?

 

Don, I will have to check on that but I think that it could simply be a motor that someone took apart and stuck a different arm inside it. Also possible and to be verified: when Gordon French sold his interest in the company to Tradeship, this company may have issued later FT16D motors in can-side drive form, but I do not remember and need to check on actual physical evidence.
 

 

People, you will have to forgive me about you opinions on collecting classic slot cars, I have never understood the concept.

 

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:11 PM

Hi everybody, I hope a new crazy kid can jump in. I think that you all have missed the one thing that makes the white car on epay oh so good. It is the one thing that people still to this day do not believe are real (and they are 'cause I wrote and asked and he said "You know, they are") ... the goggles! If I may ask, TSR, will you discribe the green of the "green" colored car that you saw?


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:20 PM

Dante,

There is nothing special about any GRC car... the goggles are on all the RTR and inside the all the kits. If they are missing, it means that the owner either removed them or lost them, or they simply broke off and fell...

The green GRC cars I have seen are pale green. Actually I had just about every color at one time but sold them all. The LASCM has several kits and two boxed RTRs plus a few loose cars, but I do not see any need to collect all the colors, a couple of them are enough.



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:41 PM





Note the rubber goggles on the geekoid driving the thing:

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Those look like blinders made out of a small black rubber band ... although it could be a GRC rubber band :laugh2:


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 10:19 PM

Hi everybody, I hope a new crazy kid can jump in. I think that you all have missed the one thing that makes the white car on epay oh so good. It is the one thing that people still to this day do not believe are real (and they are 'cause I wrote and asked and he said "You know, they are") ... the goggles! If I may ask, TSR, will you discribe the green of the "green" colored car that you saw?

 

The more I looked at the incorrect white car with the 'white' motor ... the more I liked it. :D   

 

Mr. Gates ... Good to see we have another crazy kid around here.    :wacko2:  :crazy:  :friends:

 

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:27 AM

Hi Danté and welcome to SlotBlog! Good to see you here. Any chance of you posting all your Spitfire colors? I can post for you if you haven't figured that out yet...

 

Philippe, the goggles may have come with all the GRC cars, but I have yet to see one that's survived, and I've probably handled about a dozen of them over the years... You're such a snob... the museum definitely needs all the colors!

 

Hey Bob - does that mean you bought the white Spitfire?

 

Spencer, you're absolutely right about what you say, and the non-competitiveness of most of the plastic kits - but in effect we're trying to recover our youth, when we dreamed about these cars and all the preposterous claims made for them, not to mention the beautiful box art.

 

Actually, now that I've been vintage racing for the last 20 years or so, I've seen what some of the experts can do with these kits, and it turns out that most of them can be made to run very well indeed! Including all the ones I had when I was 13-14-15 and could never get to run well at all...!  

I only became moderately competitive when I began to scratch build, and I also collect scratchbuilt cars of all types - these definitely have a pull for me, including building some new ones.  

 

We didn't have enough racers to run in classes, but it seems there were also raceways with kit classes, and in this case you would be competiting on a more level playing field... or in places where everybody was a beginner, the kit cars would be competitive for a few months, till guys figured out how to hop them up and then scratch build. Depends on the time and place.

 

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 08:28 AM

Hi Don,

 

The red car I posted has the original goggles.

I didn't buy the white car, way, way to much stuff on hand.

It's like having a drug addiction. :dash2:

I'm trying to break the 'gotta have it' habit... it's not going that well. :wacko2:


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 09:01 AM

Philippe, the goggles may have come with all the GRC cars, but I have yet to see one that's survived, and I've probably handled about a dozen of them over the years... You're such a snob... the museum definitely needs all the colors!

 

Don,

It is likely that on many, either the goggles were taken off or never installed if they came from the kit, or they simply fell off after the rubber band broke. I also have noted that the eye ports sometimes get molded "blind", meaning that the mold did not shut properly. In any case no GRC car was ever sold without those goggles. As far as colors, I would not spit on any we would find that are not in the museum, but they would have to be MIB and those do not come that often. Most of the "other" colors (than yellow) came in RTR form. I have as yet to see a kit in another color than yellow.

And, I am not a snob,  :heat: but the majordomo to a discerning collector. :sun_bespectacled: .

And besides, I don't even own a single vintage slot car...  :)



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 01:49 AM

Mr Bob, Thanx for the greeting. Call away but I figured how the underline was getting turned on and how to turn it off. I will do better, I am not much of a typest. You spoke of your addiction, that is bad enough but I am writing a book and am disabled so I can not go take pictures of other peoples collections so I have to buy all of the cars myself except when great people like Don sends me a car. Growing up a perfectionest I want to have an example of everything THINGIE! Try that addiction on. There, there everywhere ... strange looking little cars, EVERYWHERE! Sorry, I am better now. I better take two Turbo Turn Ons and go to bed. DON, I will see what I can do about pictures of ALL EIGHT lane color cars and a few more! TSR, thank you.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:26 PM

 

I have as yet to see a kit in another color than yellow.

 

For one other than yellow that Was a kit ... See post #11


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:33 PM

Mr Bob, Thanx for the greeting. Call away but I figured how the underline was getting turned on and how to turn it off. I will do better, I am not much of a typest. You spoke of your addiction, that is bad enough but I am writing a book and am disabled so I can not go take pictures of other peoples collections so I have to buy all of the cars myself except when great people like Don sends me a car. Growing up a perfectionest I want to have an example of everything THINGIE! Try that addiction on. There, there everywhere ... strange looking little cars, EVERYWHERE! Sorry, I am better now. I better take two Turbo Turn Ons and go to bed. DON, I will see what I can do about pictures of ALL EIGHT lane color cars and a few more! TSR, thank you.

 

Mr. Dante, Just playing with the underline nick name comment as a hardy welcome to the 'big leagues" of information here on Slotblog.

 

I would be happy to send you any pictures or angles of any car that I have for your upcoming book ... just ask.

 

Welcome and be well.....


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:12 PM

For one other than yellow that Was a kit ... See post #11

 

 

Roberto,

What I said is that I personally have never seen a sealed kit with a body color other than yellow... it does not mean that some were not produced, especially in the "series 2" boxes.
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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:36 PM

Is there a street address for GRC? It turns out Western Raceways was at the end of 130th Street (corner of 130th and Western Avenue, Gardena)... The same block Sonic Products is located.


Click HERE to contact Sonic Products. The messenger feature on my Slotblog account has been disabled.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:42 PM

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Gardena, CA.

 

 

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:47 PM

Dokk,

 

This car was assembled when I bought it off of ebay ... just the way it is shown in the pictures.

Untouched, car, packaging and contents, I didn't even press the rocker panel stickers back in place.


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